Reagen... NOt The Great Man you all think of him as.
 

Lets get this straight people, even to the guyz who have this man is their sig, he wasn o hero, he was no great president. If you need any great convincing read this bit over. Im tired of seeing on CNN every 5 seconds some conservative go on about how great this guy was. He was no hero he just fucked America over and convinced us that he did a great job.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... DTL&nl=fix

Read it all threw. Don't make any bullshit replies unless you read the God danm article over. Now let the bombs be dropped and the gunfire open up.

SOme quotes of.... Reagen.. Wisdom....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/6/8/24148/49102

i wasnt old enough to talk, so i dont kare! eek:

[quote="TGB!":5016b]Oh yes, I quite expect anything non-partisan from a San Francisco paper. Oh no they certainly have no agenda against the President who didnt do "enough" Aids Awarness (you make the connections yourself on why San Fran would be bitter about that).[/quote:5016b]

it is a lot deeper then that TGB, your only reading the first paragraph. It builds up to the more important facts as it goes on. Read a bit.

[quote:37650]uber-patriotic[/quote:37650]

At this point i stopped reading. No serious writer would use the word uber, unless it were a German paper.

This is typical, partisan-biased bullshit. I could make arguments for how terrible a president Clinton was while he snowed the American public. NAFTA, for instance. Short-term boost as production rises and prices fall, triggering consumer-spending. Meanwhile jobs are eliminated by the thousands every single day as factories outsource. Suddenly there is no more money going back into the pockets of the average American. Clinton got lucky that the tech boom and the dot com boom covered his ass, and right after Bush took office, before he passed a single bill even through the House, let alone the Senate, the dot com crash and the tech crash happen, and suddenly every-fucking-one sees the economy is completely unstable and somehow it's all George Whatthefuckjusthappened Bush at fault. Good job on the spin, Demis.

And fuck that analysis. Reagan wasn't great because he cured cancer or led us out of a depression, he was great because he inspired the American people to be proud of being American again, not to mention breaking the back of the Soviet Union. So go fuck yourself and have some respect for the deceased.

you stope reading it because it said uber ? are you fucking kidding me ? It is a proper word to use, perfectly fine. If your small minded enough to stop reading it becasue of that then seriously. At least read the quotes, which in term really charecterize the prick Reagen was. + if you need big words misc in order to satisfy your intelectual level, read on he uses plenty of them to make you happy.

YEah, read it up you jaded scum bag.

[quote:69e6d]Ronnie Reagan deregulated major industry and essentially loosed corporate America upon an unsuspecting populace, including the savings-and-loan companies, all while opening the national treasury for his wealthy pals to loot. He promised a crackdown on out-of-control deficit spending while working furiously to double the national debt. "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter," oozed a very proud Dick Cheney, sneeringly.

But let's be fair. Let's look on Ronnie's good side, the legacy, the reason tens of thousands are mourning the Gipper's passing and why an aging boomer nation is still held rapt by this most beguiling and masterful of proto-American Hollywood salesmen.

Reagan was, as widely noted, a pragmatist. He was a seductive charmer. Gracious. He stood by his warped ideals and admitted his mistakes and followed through on many of his promises, even if those promises mutilated progressive ideas and stomped on the environment and gave piles of money to the wealthy, all while sucker-punching the poor and the working class and promising them nice shiny pennies and a big heap of false hope if they'd just shut the hell up.

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That pretty much sum's up your last statement their Noctis. You basicly fell for a con job.

You tend not to argue the facts but go off topic and bring clinton into this. Your using the fact that Reagen basicly fooled America over into feeling good and you see this as a good thing. I don't know how you find "conning" Americans into thinking he was great as a good thing for a powerful world leader....Honestly its this type of public con job's that facists and Nazi's used in order to win over their populace. may he rip, but lets not give this man a spot on RUshmore or consider him one of the great presidents, he was nothing of the sort, not even close.

I love how people get all their political views fro obviously biased bullshit websites. Credability bitch, can your small peter find it.

Maybe it was the condicending remarks made between paragraphs. Maybe it was the fact that the report was biased. Or maybe it was simply the fact that i dont really care about a dead president's reputation as seen by someone out to simply attack his past. All that just seemed to diswayed me from continuing to read such an assinine article. The use of "uber" was just icing on the cake. I hate icing.

AND BTW. MIND THE BUISNESS OF YOUR OWN PISSANT COUNTRY, WE DONT WORRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN BEAVER TRAPPING LAND.

[quote="Short Hand":391b3]you stope reading it because it said uber ? are you fucking kidding me ? It is a proper word to use, perfectly fine. If your small minded enough to stop reading it becasue of that then seriously. At least read the quotes, which in term really charecterize the prick Reagen was. + if you need big words misc in order to satisfy your intelectual level, read on he uses plenty of them to make you happy.[/quote:391b3]

And why don't I listen to your political commentary? Placed in the order they appear:

stope = stop
your = you're
small minded = small-minded
becasue = because
[...] seriously. = Where is the rest of the sentence?
term = turn
charecterize = characterize
Reagen = Reagan
[...] was. = Don't end sentences with prepositions
+ = Forget how to spell? It's plus.
[...] words misc [...] = [...] words, misc, [...]
intelectual = intellectual
level = Doesn't make sense. How about prowess?
[...] read on, = Run-on sentence. Should be: [...] read on. He [...]

If you're going to hold a big boy conversation, you need to try and speak like one, okay? Thanks.

EDIT:: My point above was that the same types of jabs could be taken at any President, numb nuts.

ooh Levinstein, when your presented with facts the only way you can fight back is with your, omg its hax or some bullshit it not credible. The website is creditable, & the quotes are publshied by a respectable book company. Not to mention I will mind your politics becasue if you hadn't noticed our 2 nations are attached at the hip, what you do effects us greatly. : )

That's extremely partisan and it's one writers views and generalizations. It servers no purpose. It was a different world then and much was omitted. BTW , were you even old enough to wipe your own ass when he was elected?

[quote=Noctis]And why don't I listen to your political commentary? Place in the order they appear:

stope = stop
your = you're
small minded = small-minded
becasue = because
[...] seriously. = Where is the rest of the sentence?
term = turn
charecterize = characterize
Reagen = Reagan
[...] was. = Don't end sentences with prepositions
+ = Forget how to spell? It's plus.
[...] words misc [...] = [...] words, misc, [...]
intelectual = intellectual
level = Doesn't make sense. How about prowess?
[...] read on, = Run-on sentence. Should be: [...] read on. He [...]

If you're going to hold a big boy conversation, you need to try and speak like one, okay? Thanks.[/quote:e406c]

my God your pathetic right now Noc. seriously taking jabs at my grammer ? your pathetic you know that ? ITs great to see you when your down on the ground, did you do the same thing to your Islamic teacher ? When you can't fight the facts as suaul you resort to fighting my poor grammer. Your trying to point my out as stupid in a hope that people will disregard the facts these 2 links present. Fight dirty when down i gues.

-Now please pick out all the grammatical (ohh is that naother one ?) and reply again.

[quote="Short Hand":d29fa]ooh Levinstein, when your presented with facts the only way you can fight back is with your, omg its hax or some bullshit it not credible. The website is creditable, & the quotes are publshied by a respectable book company. Not to mention I will mind your politics becasue if you hadn't noticed our 2 nations are attached at the hip, what you do effects us greatly. : )[/quote:d29fa]

Where are your facts. The national debt doesnt matter when your National Product is the size of the United States. Did Reagan have speed bumps - certainly. That 10% unemployment rate during 83 was killer - but those 5%-7's during the majority of his presidency sure were sweet.

For all the hand-wringing and historical rewritting, the United States is not and hasnt been in "trouble" since 1930 and the passage of the New Deal. Get the fuck over it.

[quote="Short Hand":f42d5]ooh Levinstein, when your presented with facts the only way you can fight back is with your, omg its hax or some bullshit it not credible. The website is creditable, & the quotes are publshied by a respectable book company. Not to mention I will mind your politics becasue if you hadn't noticed our 2 nations are attached at the hip, what you do effects us greatly. : )[/quote:f42d5]

Read the website, how can they research when they can't even form reasonable points? Sure I could take a bunch of facts and twist them around all Michael Moore on you, but I leave that to the unbathed liberals. I like to refer to the America:Canada relationship as our nuts to your chins, everytime we do something right while you copy it gives you a nice money shot to show you how influenced by us and how fucking uncreative all of your fur trappers and truckers are. Seeing how youve got what? 1000 educated rational thinkers in the country. If I get banned for saying shit it shows you how fucking hypocritcal people are on this board are, because short and pyro can say what they want, but If an american tells canada how shitty their copycat country is. OMG TEH TRUTH?!!?!??!

Fuck short hand, fuck pyro, and fuck your views.

canada is on top happy:

[quote="TGB!":29c32]It's not deep at all.

1. All presidents have had at least one person idicted on their staff; whether in a cabinet or advisor. This is no new news and shouldnt even be close to being treated as some isolated Regean happening.

2. The country was in the shitter economically following Carters presidency. Regean came in and created a new federal policy. The short version of Regeans federalism simply restructured gov to not be so fucking involved in states and their programs which creats federal red tape and bullshit.

3. National/Trade Debt/Deficit. Look at the Clinton years.

The article is a textbook case of playing partisan journalism. Regean should have been impeaced for Contra-Gate - then why wasnt he? Oh yea, big Right Wing Conspiracy. Oh no he negotiated with Saddam Hussein. Well we better get Chirac in chains since good ol France gave a young Hussein a tour of their nuclear facilities. Whoo Hooo!![/quote:29c32]

-CHirac should be impeached, his violations of the right of Islam's in France is disgusting.

Clintons years were no where near in comparision to the Reagen years TGB, Get some facts to back this shit up that Clinton put the nation anywhere near into dept as much as Reagen, you will be surprised he comes no where close.

What about Education ? notice how it is still federally controlled in AMerica ? all that red tape cutting was just a ay off freeing up money in unneeded areas of spendin to free up money for his buffed up programs such as Star Wars. NOtice he keeps Education under Federal duristriction. (Get um brainwashed young and you got um for life).

Of what? Breakfast sausage production?

[quote=MrLevinstein]Read the website, how can they research when they can't even form reasonable points? Sure I could take a bunch of facts and twist them around all Michael Moore on you, but I leave that to the unbathed liberals. I like to refer to the America:Canada relationship as our nuts to your chins, everytime we do something right while you copy it gives you a nice money shot to show you how influenced by us and how fucking uncreative all of your fur trappers and truckers are. Seeing how youve got what? 1000 educated rational thinkers in the country. If I get banned for saying shit it shows you how fucking hypocritcal people are on this board are, because short and pyro can say what they want, but If an american tells canada how shitty their copycat country is. OMG TEH TRUTH?!!?!??!

Fuck short hand, fuck pyro, and fuck your views.[/quote:d32d2]

Levinstein logic

1 Points are perfectly fine... shit ok now what.

2 I see lets say their bullshit, say somethinjg about a man who makes perfectly fine documentaries, then spurt some racist crap, in a hateful way. Great going.

-The facts are not twisted only presented in a clear form. Which to you is a threat there fore it is to you some how untrue.

[quote="TGB!":78d2b][quote="Short Hand":78d2b]ooh Levinstein, when your presented with facts the only way you can fight back is with your, omg its hax or some bullshit it not credible. The website is creditable, & the quotes are publshied by a respectable book company. Not to mention I will mind your politics becasue if you hadn't noticed our 2 nations are attached at the hip, what you do effects us greatly. : )[/quote:78d2b]

Where are your facts. The national debt doesnt matter when your National Product is the size of the United States. Did Reagan have speed bumps - certainly. That 10% unemployment rate during 83 was killer - but those 5%-7's during the majority of his presidency sure were sweet.

For all the hand-wringing and historical rewritting, the United States is not and hasnt been in "trouble" since 1930 and the passage of the New Deal. Get the fuck over it.[/quote:78d2b]

Corporate America is now in charge becasue of REagen. If anything reagen made quick fixes.

I gotta go to work. Ill see everyone later. oOo:

Do you have any clue as to what state this country was in prior to Reagan taking office? Much of what you sited was reprocussions of the late seventies and early eighties. We were in the more heated periods of the cold war, the economy was shit, gas was having to be rationed, the military was severly underfunded and outdated compared to the Russians, and terrorism was really starting to gain a foot hold in the world. You must take the whole picture, not just some excerpts from a text.

who says that Carter would not have done a good job ? You can't compare becasue the Democrats never took up office.

[quote:5c7f2]Clintons years were no where near in comparision to the Reagen years TGB, Get some facts to back this shit up that Clinton put the nation anywhere near into dept as much as Reagen, you will be surprised he comes no where close.
[/quote:5c7f2]

You think Clinton came in and just MAGICALLY created a workable economy (that STILL added on debt)?

[quote:5c7f2]What about Education ? notice how it is still federally controlled in AMerica ? all that red tape cutting was just a ay off freeing up money in unneeded areas of spendin to free up money for his buffed up programs such as Star Wars. NOtice he keeps Education under Federal duristriction. (Get um brainwashed young and you got um for life).[/quote:5c7f2]

Education ISNT federally controlled noob. We have these things called GRANTS. GRANTS are given in many different flavors: block grants, grant-in-aid, etc. The Federal Gov. being the most powerful level of gov. gives cash to the states to create and fund programs the US gov wants. The GIVE money. They dont create the programs. Every state has its OWN education program.

What do you want from me? You want me to go link a half-dozen Conservative analyses of Clinton/Gore? I could certainly do it. Or I could link a Conservative rendition of Reagan as well.

The point is, you are linking a KNOWN biased source of information and trying to herald it as being absolute truth. Sure, Reagan fucked up. Show me a President that hasn't fucked up. All this article does is try to put a negative spin on Reagan's presidency because it's all over the news and the writer knows that people will read it and therefore possibly form an opinion regarding Republicans just in time for the upcoming presidential election.

Now if you still want me to go link whoring, I certainly will, but we both know it's not going to change your opinion and you'll be just as fucking wrong as when you posted. Stop trying to acknowledge only half the truth.

Jesus Christ I'm to the point where I just can't even deal with the lot of you ignorant fucks who spew bullshit like this all day.

Shortfag rock:

[quote="Short Hand":8df77][quote=Noctis]And why don't I listen to your political commentary? Place in the order they appear:

stope = stop
your = you're
small minded = small-minded
becasue = because
[...] seriously. = Where is the rest of the sentence?
term = turn
charecterize = characterize
Reagen = Reagan
[...] was. = Don't end sentences with prepositions
+ = Forget how to spell? It's plus.
[...] words misc [...] = [...] words, misc, [...]
intelectual = intellectual
level = Doesn't make sense. How about prowess?
[...] read on, = Run-on sentence. Should be: [...] read on. He [...]

If you're going to hold a big boy conversation, you need to try and speak like one, okay? Thanks.[/quote:8df77]

my God your pathetic right now Noc. seriously taking jabs at my grammer ? your pathetic you know that ? ITs great to see you when your down on the ground, did you do the same thing to your Islamic teacher ? When you can't fight the facts as suaul you resort to fighting my poor grammer. Your trying to point my out as stupid in a hope that people will disregard the facts these 2 links present. Fight dirty when down i gues.

-Now please pick out all the grammatical (ohh is that naother one ?) and reply again.[/quote:8df77]

it seems to me that all these "fights" end up with grammar. rolleyes:

not saying they wouldn't, but that was what he was faced with upon taking office and it did effect events during his tenure. Yes the guy had his faults, but he did some very good things also in a time when the nation needed to restore confidence in itself. Same as FDR getting the country back on its feet prior to world war II, but we can also thank him for our out of control welfare syatem today.

Some people prefer their bitches on top.

Still look at what he did. The faults at which he had were in comparision quite large and destructive, The Contra's in Nicuiraga(mind my spelling) were brutal bucthers and the man compares them to your founding fathers. I just hate to see everyone praise this man when the truth is he was a D class president not a A. may he rest in peace but he deserves no glorification what so ever.

Go to work and choke on a dick, Short Hand. The man is dead, and just like anyone who dies, people try to remember the good things about their life, not the bad. So instead of throwing shit on the man's memory, why don't you just keep your bleeding-heart bullshit to your group of circle-jerking hippy friends. Thanks.

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At what point will this be locked? Its nothing but everyone telling this man that its a one sided argument presented. Then him lashing out saying, "yeah well you're a blind fool for not seeing he was satan like the two articles say". Its not even a debate, point and counter point, its just someone putting there fingers in there ears and going "la la la la la la la la, im not listening, la la la la la la"


Destroy it before its insanity grows beyond control.

[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":4baa6]Some people prefer their bitches on top.[/quote:4baa6]


really? would you know this from rough anal sex with your man friend/father? so i guess you would be on top

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