BUSH CO OBJECTIONS
 

[quote:fc4ee]In clear, proper worded sentences,[/quote:fc4ee]

LOL.

and the [quote:fc4ee]xhtml[/quote:fc4ee]. LMAO

President Palmer is good.

This should be good. Me sits back with a box of popcorn waiting for the show

-Bush takes the credit for making the military strong again when he used Clintons military during the Afghan campaign.
-Bush supporters blame the Clinton admin for 9/11 when it happened in Bush's term, but Clinton was blamed for the first WTC attack in 93 even though Clinton had been in office for a few weeks.
-Bush had a variety of good reasons to invade Iraq, but instead he made one up that was based on shit intelligence.
-Clintons efforts at nationbuilding in Bosnia were criticized, while Bush's efforts are supposed to be hailed.
-Bush pissed away the surplus Clinton had left behind, starting at a SURPLUS of $127B or so to a DEFECIT of $106B in approx 1 year.
-Bush rolled back around 200 environmental laws and has cut staff and funding to the EPA, allowing some of the largest polluters in this country to operate unwatched by donating millions of dollars to GOPAC and his campaign.

I'm sure there are more but these are the gripes I have with him now, I'm sure a good Lexis-Nexus and google search will bring out more.

jsut play http://www.bushgame.com

theres plenty there.

mr t.

ROFL! thats a fun game. Its sad though. cry:

amazing game. I just spent a good hour playing it...The only thing I didn't like was how sticky keys kept fucking me over while I was trying to shoot upward.

come on, you didnt write that, you copy/paste it from somewhere else. besides, i dont really blame the president for crime, there is always someone who is going to commit crime, no matter what president and no matter what kinds of laws are in place.

I dont agree with it all either....How can a president be blamed for drought oOo:

Im just bored...

rock:

Heres the bit i could come up with at the moment, couldnt be arsed to put anymore right now, its late.

-Instead of providing money for things such as universal healthcare coverage, improving public education, and providing assistance to the 9 million umemployed, 87 billion dollars of needed money has been squandered to support the war in iraq.
-Bush was not elected to office, but appointed by the supreme court.
-Unemployment has reached nine-year highs
-Kids under the country's legal drinking age are dying for his "cause" everyday.
-George W. Bush’s environmental policy opens up national forests for commercial logging and pushes for domestic oil exploration in protected areas.
-His administration has broken long standing treaties, beggining with the kyoto protocol, acting like they are the only country that matters, and they make all the rules.
-His war in iraq has already killed more innnocents then al-qaeda did on sep. 11

LMAO @ JOHN KERRY AS VOLTRON... and the terrorist teletubbies

It was all according to the constitution, and the Miami such and such did their own recount, using the most liberal counting of votes, and bush still won florida.

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-Kids under the country's legal drinking age are dying for his "cause" everyday.
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WTF?? I'd love to hear you explain that one. What "cause" would that be. Please enlighten me.

[quote:7201f]-George W. Bush’s environmental policy.....pushes for domestic oil exploration in protected areas.[/quote:7201f]

If that exploration can be done in a environmentally friendly manner, which I believe it can, then it would provide lower prices at the pump, and isn't that something that everyone can agree would be a good thing. Unlike Kerry voting for an extra 50 cent per gallon tax on gas.

PS:

[EDIT] I decided I didn't want that pic in my post, fucken gross.

That's just wrong man. Wrong... annoy: annoy:

[quote="Pick Axe":5ed76]WTF?? I'd love to hear you explain that one. What "cause" would that be. Please enlighten me.[/quote:5ed76]
My point is they arent even old enough to drink legally, but bush can legally send them to die for his interests.

Ok, I see what your saying. Obscure, though...

I think the drinking age ought to be 18..

But, its not just Bush's plan to go to Iraq. Congress approved the funding, don't forget that. And there were all those other countries (the cololition) that supported us, and some still do. It's not like bush just woke up, said " Lets invade Iraq today!" And it happened. Our president doesn't have that much athority.

I forget, Pick Axe. Whats the UN's stance on this war?

watch ferenheit 9/11 they are countless. if you haven't seen it then stfu,.

-Bush's tax cuts were set up to tax the top earners at a lower level than that of its lowest income earners. IE Tax cuts that benefit the rich. I dont know why he did this, Bush and Reagan proved that this doesnt worked and when Clinton reversed it, it proved again that it was the wrong way to go. Another part of this administration is that it refuses to learn on the experience of its precedessors. Clinton reversed it and got a budget surplus, Bush reversed that and now we have a huge defecit. 9/11 and the war in iraq are NOT the reason why we have a defecit.

-Education is a state thing, but the feds are supposed to play an active role in education. Ie, No Child Left Behind. Thats bs, the rating system is set up so that even the best schools in the country barely pass the test, making most schools receive low marks. Low marks are not incentives for parents to send their kids to school there, so they end up sending them across town to other schools. Also, the transfer part of NCLB needs work because it doesnt actually let students transfer out of the area to better schools. .Feds cut federal education funding so that if you apply for financial aide or fill out the FAFSA form, you will have a much smaller chance receiving aide. Underfunding also meant that colleges that receive fed aide had to raise their tuition by 61%* (*schools in my area in fact). Finally, underfunding also means that schools cant afford to hire additional staff and supplies for their schools.

I do not personally hold unemployment to be any presidents fault because this should be a capitalistic free enterprise with some federal control, but here is a table i thought was interesting...

http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/jobs/table1.html

Basically, unemployment had its greatest rates under the new Bush admin, even Reagan of all people did better than him (thats pretty sad because Reagan was a complete, and utter idiot). But, Bush is still in his term, so I think the best way to look at the overall rates would be to find a table reflecting employment rates that covers all of this year.

Taxes were cut across the board. It appears that the rich get more of a tax cut because they pay a vast majority of the taxes. IE tax cuts for all but if you are paying less your tax cut is not as great. Why should I have to pay more taxes than I already do to support many people who just don't give a shit. I already pay 40 - 45%. Would you feel it to be fair that I pay half of my income? That would just promote more apathy in an already unmotivated society. Why would someone strive to make a good living when they have to give so much of their earnings to the government?

9/11 sure didn't help things and and put a hurt on the economy which does have some correlation with the deficit.

annoy:
A person who is able to get elected President is not an idiot regardless if you agree with them or not. I didin't agree with Clinton on many things but the man is extremely intelligent.

[quote="Short Hand":bf26c]watch ferenheit 9/11 they are countless. if you haven't seen it then stfu,.[/quote:bf26c]

Wow, You acctually believed something in that bull shit tirade???


[quote:bf26c]Taxes were cut across the board. It appears that the rich get more of a tax cut because they pay a vast majority of the taxes. IE tax cuts for all but if you are paying less your tax cut is not as great. Why should I have to pay more taxes than I already do to support many people who just don't give a shit. I already pay 40 - 45%. Would you feel it to be fair that I pay half of my income? That would just promote more apathy in an already unmotivated society. Why would someone strive to make a good living when they have to give so much of their earnings to the government? [/quote:bf26c]

rock:

[quote:bf26c]I forget, Pick Axe. Whats the UN's stance on this war?[/quote:bf26c]

Who gives a fuck about the UN? They have no real power. The UN has became so downgraded in the last 15 years. I think we should withdrawl from the UN and boot em out of New York. I wonder how far they'd get without our support. oOo:

[quote:bf26c]<<-His war in iraq has already killed more innnocents then al-qaeda did on sep. 11

I would hope there are more people in Iraq than there are in the WTC. Specious comparison.[/quote:bf26c]

That reads kida weird man.

Have you watched ferenheit 911 you disrespecful little shit ? Your saying the US soldiers familys it talks about, sons and daughters who have died over there did not die ? go to hell, watch it before you run your mouth. The movie is not extrememist if you ask me, a great peice of work on Moore's behalf. "hell he didnt even put himself in their much to statisfy all you people who can't stand to look at him because he is ab ig guy.


Give a reason to why its all lies before you go running your little republican mouth. Watch it befroe you say anything.

Presidents don't get themselves elected, their campeign staff do fool.

[quote="Short Hand":7e697]Have you watched ferenheit 911 you disrespecful little shit ? Your saying the US soldiers familys it talks about, sons and daughters who have died over there did not die ? go to hell, watch it before you run your mouth. The movie is not extrememist if you ask me, a great peice of work on Moore's behalf. "hell he didnt even put himself in their much to statisfy all you people who can't stand to look at him because he is ab ig guy.


Give a reason to why its all lies before you go running your little republican mouth. Watch it befroe you say anything.[/quote:7e697]

Fahrenheit is a bunch of propaganda. Yes, i have seen it.

[quote="Short Hand":a656d]Presidents don't get themselves elected, their campeign staff do fool.[/quote:a656d]

Well i guess people sit at their houses and a campaign staff comes knocking on their door and says" we can make you a president". No work on that individuals behalf in public service or making the necessary connections to place them in the public eye to get a platform. Of course being from Canada, you always have such a vast knowledge of American politics and you obviously think just any dumbass is able to even place themselves in the position to be president. Do yourself a favor Sh and stick to the micheal moore fan club and stop trying to flame me. Your much more suited for that and keeping your nose inches away from pyro's asshole. You feel that you know it all and I know you don't . Our opinions or views won't change. So go spew your extreme liberal rhetoric and bullshit to someone who gives a fuck and try worring about what goes on in your own country for once. I for one am glad you are Canadian, one less extreme liberal in this country. Your much more radical and not nearly as intelligent than Clinton . The whole irony is that you spend so much time downing American conservatives and you can't even vote so your opinion is more usless than pedophile in a nursing home.

hmm, im an extrememist ? ...Sorry i'm no supporter of the green party buddy, Neither do I go to rally's for social justice, im just a regular dedicated liberal, not extremeist, thats a term I would use for someone who is willing to die for the cause. Funny part is im just commenting on your statemnt, yet you take it as flaming. YOu then go on telling me to go up pyro's ass and compare me to a pedophile, Yet i've yet to really flame you. I simply state my opinion on an internet forum and it is as if I am (to you) ready to bomb your house or kick your family members in the head. Calm down boy, im not going to attack you only state "what i think needs to be said and what is wrong with America itself. Beleive it or not im only trying to help you guyz out from leading yourselves into a path of destruction. ed: Becasue the wya America is going now, you can bet it is not going to last to much more. Seems no one on this board can have a civilized arguement. ffs.

[quote="Short Hand":aa62f]hmm, im an extrememist ? ...Sorry i'm no supporter of the green party buddy, Neither do I go to rally's for social justice, im just a regular dedicated liberal, not extremeist, thats a term I would use for someone who is willing to die for the cause. Funny part is im just commenting on your statemnt, yet you take it as flaming. YOu then go on telling me to go up pyro's ass and compare me to a pedophile, Yet i've yet to really flame you. I simply state my opinion on an internet forum and it is as if I am (to you) ready to bomb your house or kick your family members in the head. Calm down boy, im not going to attack you only state "what i think needs to be said and what is wrong with America itself. Beleive it or not im only trying to help you guyz out from leading yourselves into a path of destruction. ed: Becasue the wya America is going now, you can bet it is not going to last to much more. Seems no one on this board can have a civilized arguement. ffs.[/quote:aa62f]

Maybe I over reacted and I apologize, but it I'm just tired of you calling me out on petty shit. I feel confident that I fully understand how a president is elected. Help us out? No sir. You like to needle and needle to get a rise out of someone. What other purpose would you have by quoting me to be a smart ass?I f you had all the answers that you think you have, I would vote for you to be president . The bold portion above seems pretty obnoxous. No I didn't compare you to a pedophile, just a figure of speech. We obviously don't see eye to eye on much and that's fine. We can have a civilized argument, but It shouldn't start with some lame ass quote and calling me fool. No hard feelings though beer:

[quote=MrLevinstein]I didnt insult your spelling one bit you fucking putz, now hop in your POS riced out cav and think you can take a camaro, or have anything fucking close to speed. "WELL THE Z24 has 150 MIGHTY HORSEPOWER, AND SINCE WEVE GOT NOTHING CLOSE TO FUCKING POWER UP HEAR, I THINK THAT 150 HORSES IS A LOT, ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET SOME HYPODERMIC NEEDLES?!!?!?!"

You know about cars like you know about American politics, which isnt very much isnt it, cock fucker.[/quote:0cf15]


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[quote=Snuff]okee sounds good.

Maybe I over reacted and I apologize, but it I'm just tired of you calling me out on petty shit. I feel confident that I fully understand how a president is elected. Help us out? No sir. You like to needle and needle to get a rise out of someone. What other purpose would you have by quoting me to be a smart ass?I f you had all the answers that you think you have, I would vote for you to be president . The bold portion above seems pretty obnoxous. No I didn't compare you to a pedophile, just a figure of speech. We obviously don't see eye to eye on much and that's fine. We can have a civilized argument, but It shouldn't start with some lame ass quote and calling me fool. No hard feelings though beer:[/quote:667a3]

Of course the wealthy pay more taxes because they have a higher income. 10% of $100 is $10, 10% of $100,00 is $1,000. Whats wrong with that? Under Bush's tax cut, the top 2% earners were taxed at a lower percentage than the poorest people, thats what I'm getting at. Should the poorest people in America pay more than the richest? Why do I think the poorer people need more of a tax break? Because generally they spend the rebate immediately, while the top earners in the country are able to save it for later, thats why its called a stimulus. It makes sense to give the spenders the money, rather than the wealthier people who save it. This is the trend used in the 50's and 60's I believe. It was also used by Bill Clinton. It was in these periods where our country had a nice budget surplus. When Reagan, Bush Sr and now Bush Jr used it with a combination of massive spending, we have a large defecit. Another point that I would like to make is how liberals are blamed for spending all the money away in useless programs. Clinton was able to spend money and produce this surplus at the same time, while his predeccesors spended and created a defecit. I dont like criticizing where I dont need to, but I think we should learn from examples that work.

Some of what you saying has merit but, the rich still pay a vast majority of the taxes even even at a lower percentage. The non-rich still recieved tax cuts in proportion to their incomes. I by no means fall in the 2% that you cited but I still have a problem being penalized for going through 8 years of college to make a good living and paying enough taxes for 10 other people who didn't apply themselves. The %'s you quoted adds up. I pay in excess of 5k per month in taxes. Why should I pay 60k annually when some only pay 6k. I desreve a tax cut as much as that person. We already have enough avenues in this country to allow people to sit in their asses or not strive to be successful. Whether it be poor choices or a lack of responsobility. I'm sure that when FDR created welfare, that he had no intention of it being the parasite program that it is today. To be honest, I don't have as much of a problem paying more taxes to support defense, schools etc. but much of my tax dollar goes to pay for irresponsible people who leach off the system. That is why I feel the rich should get tax breaks also.

Everyone should get tax breaks, its just that under Reagan and the two Bush's admin, the 2%ers (just for names sake) get alot more breaks than they should so that it doesnt turn into a tax break, its just straight out more income for them. They arent even paying taxes. As for people leeching off welfare, the two largest pots of money in our country are for Social Security and Medicare. Are you going to cut these? These are almost necessities for the baby boomers who cant take care of themselves. Third is the Pentagon. No one seems willing to debate cutting the money for these three so the next to hit are domestic programs, which only make up 1/5 of the total budget. The problem isnt with these domestic programs, we need to completely re-evaluate the big 3 spenders.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy ... st08z8.xls

But another aspect of this problem lies with spending. Even though each specific part of our system has a budget, some go over it, or some dont use all of it. Clinton got all kinds of flak for spending money on programs and is said to have created the defecit we have now because of his spending. If you look at the White House's own budget chart, you see that Bush is spending more than Clinton ever did, in fact he increased domestic spending by nearly 25%. If you have a defecit, you dont start spending MORE money. Clinton had a surplus, so he could afford the budget he had in his term.

The solution is simple, reverse what Bush is doing and go back to what worked in Clintons term. But it doesnt look like Bush will do that, so that is why its ironic when he says Republicans are for fiscal responsibility.

That sucks that you pay so much and I know it can be hard to see all that money disappear out of your check, but why should the people who make even more than you not have to pay anything because they get breaks on dividends, estates and the tax breaks given to them directly? I think it would be better for everyone to pay a flate rate percentage, but I dont know if any administration has ever done that before. How well were you doing under the Clinton admin? Is it better now or was it better then?

Im sorry, I believe the oppisite is true. Under bush's tax cut, the lowest income brackets got a larger cut.

[img]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/images/taxplan-chart2.gif[/img]

[quote:6328a]Of course the wealthy pay more taxes because they have a higher income. 10% of $100 is $10, 10% of $100,00 is $1,000. Whats wrong with that?[/quote:6328a]

Acctually, we have a graduated income tax. The more you make the more you are taxed. The old categories for percent taxed are, 15%, 28%, 31%, 36%, and 39.6%, respectivly, by income. The new categories, under Bush's new plan are; 10%, 15%, 25%, and 33%. I pulled these numbers from
[url:6328a]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/taxplan.html[/url:6328a]

Wow, you suprise me, TGB!!!! rock: