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Snuff 07-26-2004 06:52 PM

DSL vs. Broadband
 
I know this is a noobish question, but could someone break down the major differences between dsl vs. broadband. Ever since I've been gaming for the last few years, I have always had cable. I am building a house that does not have cable at this time in that area. I am able to get dsl via SBC.

My current isp offers high or low speed cable. Is there different speeds with dsl?
Will my IP be static?
Will I still be able to game with decent pings ect?
Any other info appreciated.

I've been planing on a major cpu upgrade, but it would be a waste if I am unable to online game.

Arkan 07-26-2004 07:10 PM

If you can only get DSL, then by all means get it. Unlike cable, your IP will be static so if you host games through a router, you don't have to re-configure everytime it changes. Your gaming pings will be almost as good as cable.

DSL supposedly is more stable than cable (I haven't had trouble with my cable in over 2 yrs) but around here is more expensive (Only by a few bucks).

Don't trouble yourself over it, just go out and get the fastest broadband you can get in your new house. If it's DSL, then get it and forget about cable.

Snuff 07-26-2004 07:21 PM

Ty Arkan. I know less than nothing about dsl. That is all that I will have access to. So your saying performance will be comparable? Does it go through the phone lines like 56k? Will I have to log on and connect? Any long distance charges?

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 07:23 PM

you'll get an external modem that connects when you plug it in

very simple

too bad DSL is really slow compared to cable.. and more $$

Arkan 07-26-2004 07:26 PM

DSL stands for "Digital Suscriber Line" so yes, it's like a phone line but you'll be connected through a modem just like cable. And like cable, you'll always be connected and only pay a single monthly fee no matter how long you're on the computer. The DSL line is independant from your regular phone line.

As for speeds, you'll be alot closer to cable than you realize when you're gaming. Only when you're d/loading a huge file will you notice the slower speeds.

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
DSL stands for "Digital Suscriber Line" so yes, it's like a phone line but you'll be connected through a modem just like cable. And like cable, you'll always be connected and only pay a single monthly fee no matter how long you're on the computer. The DSL line is independant from your regular phone line.

As for speeds, you'll be alot closer to cable than you realize when you're gaming. Only when you're d/loading a huge file will you notice the slower speeds.

i have had both for about 6 months

major diffs in gaming (30-40 ping on cable, 60-70 on DSL) and thats with 756 DSL, he'll probably get crappy 128/256 :(

Snuff 07-26-2004 07:35 PM

So there are differnt dsl speeds? If it's not 756dsl, then it sucks ehh?

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 07:42 PM

Itll do you fine, just a huge difference in price and performance between al speeds an cable.

Snuff 07-26-2004 07:47 PM

ty, btw nice avatar biggrin:

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 07:49 PM

HEHE thanks

saw that "rides" episode on the elanor custom gt-500 from gone in 60 seconds, was looking for a wallpaper and found that ... did a lil resize and there we go.

I LOVE MUSTANGS rock: rock:

TonyMontana 07-26-2004 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fujimi7su
HEHE thanks

saw that "rides" episode on the elanor custom gt-500 from gone in 60 seconds, was looking for a wallpaper and found that ... did a lil resize and there we go.

I LOVE MUSTANGS rock: rock:

hehe i saw that today

SoLiDUS 07-26-2004 08:02 PM

DSL IS broadband as well.

[quote="Some dude":9b9f6]
My current isp offers high or low speed cable. Is there different speeds with dsl?
Will my IP be static?
Will I still be able to game with decent pings ect?
[/quote:9b9f6]

The different speeds are controlled by the ISP. You can get 3Mb DSL just
like you could be offered a 4Mbit connection: it's all up to the provider.
Your IP shouldn't change once you've connected through the connection
application. Will you have decent pings ? Think about it: DSL... 3-4Mbit
connection. Don't download BitTorrents while playing games and you will
be fine :-)

elstatec 07-26-2004 08:11 PM

cable biatch

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 08:15 PM

[quote=SoLiDUS]DSL IS broadband as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Some dude":cdc1e
My current isp offers high or low speed cable. Is there different speeds with dsl?
Will my IP be static?
Will I still be able to game with decent pings ect?

The different speeds are controlled by the ISP. You can get 3Mb DSL just
like you could be offered a 4Mbit connection: it's all up to the provider.
Your IP shouldn't change once you've connected through the connection
application. Will you have decent pings ? Think about it: DSL... 3-4Mbit
connection. Don't download BitTorrents while playing games and you will
be fine :-)[/quote:cdc1e]

i didnt feel like being an ass about the whole broadband thing ;)

but that higher speed DSL is insanely expensive

cable is like $30 a month for 3.5mbps here

GraveyardDisciple 07-26-2004 08:50 PM

Got a friend who has 256k DSL. Slow as shit when downloading stuff...but not bad at all for gaming. Gets pings close to mine and I have 3.5 mbps cable. Dunno why, but whatever. I download a ton of shit, so I couldn't do that, but it depends on what you need.

Drew 07-26-2004 08:58 PM

Some of these numbers are either distorted or incorrect altogether.

First of all, about the static IP - yes it is static, but most cable providers give you a static IP as well.

3-4mb speeds on DSL? Um.. you'd pretty much have to live next door to the backbone, or pay a shit-ton of money to get a main line pulled into your house.

And 3.5mb on cable? Residential fiberoptics cap out at 2.8mb (or something like that) and most cable providers won't let your speeds get in excess of 2.0-2.2. In order to get 3.5mb download on a cable line, you'd need a commercial-grade fiberoptic hook-up.

Unless the world changed while I was in Florida this weekend.

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis
Some of these numbers are either distorted or incorrect altogether.

First of all, about the static IP - yes it is static, but most cable providers give you a static IP as well.

3-4mb speeds on DSL? Um.. you'd pretty much have to live next door to the backbone, or pay a shit-ton of money to get a main line pulled into your house.

And 3.5mb on cable? Residential fiberoptics cap out at 2.8mb (or something like that) and most cable providers won't let your speeds get in excess of 2.0-2.2. In order to get 3.5mb download on a cable line, you'd need a commercial-grade fiberoptic hook-up.

Unless the world changed while I was in Florida this weekend.

dont know what to tell you, but me and everyone i know in IA get 3+ mbps

RaNgeR 07-26-2004 10:03 PM

I have DSL through Direcway, and it totally sucks....When I first got it I was excited since Id be able to game, even if I was out in the middle of no where. Well, I joined a server and I got 700-999 ping, I thought oh well, its in the uk. I joined several servers after that and my ping was still 999. So I called Drecway up and they said it was made for gaming...I was pissed. Anyways, in one month I am moving and getting cable.

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaNgeR
I have DSL through Direcway, and it totally sucks....When I first got it I was excited since Id be able to game, even if I was out in the middle of no where. Well, I joined a server and I got 700-999 ping, I thought oh well, its in the uk. I joined several servers after that and my ping was still 999. So I called Drecway up and they said it was made for gaming...I was pissed. Anyways, in one month I am moving and getting cable.

ROFL 33.6kbps = 300 ping you got fukked dude

well if its MOH i dont know, badly scripted.... lots of bad pings

GraveyardDisciple 07-26-2004 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis
Some of these numbers are either distorted or incorrect altogether.

First of all, about the static IP - yes it is static, but most cable providers give you a static IP as well.

3-4mb speeds on DSL? Um.. you'd pretty much have to live next door to the backbone, or pay a shit-ton of money to get a main line pulled into your house.

And 3.5mb on cable? Residential fiberoptics cap out at 2.8mb (or something like that) and most cable providers won't let your speeds get in excess of 2.0-2.2. In order to get 3.5mb download on a cable line, you'd need a commercial-grade fiberoptic hook-up.

Unless the world changed while I was in Florida this weekend.

We live in Iowa and get cable from a very local service. Connection speeds can get up to 3.5 mbps pretty regularly. I can pull downloads from newsgroups at about 3 mbps too. Sweet stuff.

anti 07-26-2004 10:23 PM

[img]http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/dslspeed.jpg[/img]'
xdsl 3mbs

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anntihero
[img]http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/dslspeed.jpg[/img]'
xdsl 3mbs

thats not 3mbps

thats 300,000bps

1/10 the speed

GraveyardDisciple 07-26-2004 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anntihero
[img]http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/dslspeed.jpg[/img]'
xdsl 3mbs

ROFL. You wish it was 3 mbps. That is about .333 mbps oOo: oOo:

anti 07-26-2004 10:29 PM

just comparing download speed to what it is connected sleeping:
[img]http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/xdslspeed2.jpg[/img]

GraveyardDisciple 07-26-2004 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anntihero
[img]http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/xdslspeed2.jpg[/img]

There ya go. Only download at 300 kbps tho on a 3 mb connection? That sucks.

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:31 PM

how much do you pay for that?
willing to bet more than 30 dollars a month

anti 07-26-2004 10:33 PM

$20 - canadian. solid 300kbs. im not complaining

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:35 PM

Upload speed is probably nice thats one advantage of DSL
but just FYI that 3mpbs isnt your real speed... just connection to server speed

my dial-up says im connected at 33.6kbps but i only DL at like 3-6

anti 07-26-2004 10:36 PM

thanks bill nye oOo:

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anntihero
thanks bill nye oOo:

[img]http://www.daplayazclub.com/uploads/billnye.jpg[/img]
dance: dance:

not saying its bad, in american thats a good speed for the price

dont know in canadian tho... their money is worthless :D

Arkan 07-26-2004 10:39 PM

2004-07-26 00:27:20 EST: 9054 / 942
Your download speed : 9271321 bps, or 9054 kbps.
A 1131.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 964785 bps, or 942 kbps.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Another test...


Speed
12 megabits per second

Communications = 12 megabits per second
Storage = 1.4 megabytes per second
1MB file download = 0.7 seconds
Subjective rating = Unbelievable

Explain results


Info
Date & time = Monday, July 26, 12:29AM*
Test type = IDT4 Free
Connection type = Cable
Region = New York
Data size = 605KB

-----------------------------------------------------

...yeah, i'll keep my cable connection !!

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 10:40 PM

just FYI dont do java tests, theyre horribly innacurate.

SoLiDUS 07-26-2004 10:59 PM

3Mbit connections don't mean 300KBytes per second LOL...

3Mb / 8 bits = .375 which basically means a maximum download speed of
375KBps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis
And 3.5mb on cable? Residential fiberoptics cap out at 2.8mb (or something like that) and most cable providers won't let your speeds get in excess of 2.0-2.2. In order to get 3.5mb download on a cable line, you'd need a commercial-grade fiberoptic hook-up.

I average 500KBps on my cable and last I checked, my Videotron connection
is 4Mbps so it checks out. :-)

fujimi7su 07-26-2004 11:01 PM

can pull 3mbps+ through newsgroups, around 1mbps on most downloads

RaNgeR 07-26-2004 11:42 PM

Sometimes when I dl a song or something like that, I get 80...and Im like"HOLY SHIT! 80 kbs!!!"

anti 07-27-2004 12:07 AM

i never stated that connection speed equaled download speed; jesus h. christ

geRV 07-27-2004 12:18 AM

wallbash:

MotoxXx 07-27-2004 01:17 AM

I think there is actually a conversion from the connection speed to actual download speed.. Something like 1/10 or something so if you have a 3mbps connection you should have around 300mps download speed.. Ill try and find a link to where I saw this..

Edit: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/2735


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