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Kraut Killer 07-28-2004 09:51 AM

Saints and Kraut Killers
 
This movie Saints and Soldiers looks pretty cool, although the guy that's doing the trailer narration sounds like the guy that does all the Adam Sandler trailers, so I was expecting to hear "In the ending days of World War Two, Adam Sandler and Rob Schnieder had some wildly hilarious shennigans." But, I digress... this looks cool.
[url:3de78]http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/saints_and_soldiers.html[/url:3de78]

daffy. 07-28-2004 10:00 AM

looks good.

intrestedviewer 07-28-2004 10:48 AM

I dunno, theres a lame factor that i just cant seem to put my finger on. Maybe it was just the trailer that was crapy.

eeves 07-28-2004 10:49 AM

huh?

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 07-28-2004 11:27 AM

I think it looks rather good, sounds like a brit figher pilot or something wearing that flight jacket too.

As far as the nazis shooting American soldiers that actually happened & is known as the Malmedy massacre. This chap was responsible, Joachim Peiper & the SS Das Reich during the Battle of the Bulge.

[img]http://www.wartoys.biz/images/joachim-peiper.jpg[/img]

Bean 2 07-28-2004 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by intrestedviewer
I dunno, theres a lame factor that i just cant seem to put my finger on. Maybe it was just the trailer that was crapy.

Yea i kind of felt it too. Maybe cause Jeff Daniels is in it.

Kraut Killer 07-28-2004 12:04 PM

Dude... Jeff Daniels isn't in it. And as for the trailer and lame factor... I'm telling you, it's the narrator. That voice is always in kids' movies and comedies... it just doesn't sound right on this trailer, he sounds too happy the whole time.

BlackJackal 07-28-2004 12:04 PM

http://www.saintsandsoldiers.com

Kraut Killer 07-28-2004 12:12 PM

Thanks for finding the website.

Bean 2 07-28-2004 12:19 PM

That one guy fucking looks like Jeff Daniels.

Kraut Killer 07-28-2004 12:35 PM

I know which one you're talking about... but it's not him.

BlackJackal 07-28-2004 04:29 PM

how much did ur BOMB CAR cost?

Kraut Killer 07-28-2004 04:41 PM

I don't know... it's been in my family for about 23 years, but I've personally put about five or six thousand dollars into it.

BlackJackal 07-28-2004 04:42 PM

niceness!

Tripper 07-28-2004 05:35 PM

This movie came out last year, no?

I'm currently *buying* a copy from the.......*store.* oOo:

BlackJackal 07-28-2004 07:53 PM

no. i think it's this year

St@tIc 07-28-2004 08:00 PM

holy shit,is itr just me or is the just from BOB(webster) in this,i think i saw him

BlackJackal 07-28-2004 08:07 PM

doubt it.

Tripper 07-29-2004 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
no. i think it's this year

[url:37358]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373283/[/url:37358]

Says 2003 in there.....

Plus, how could it win all those film festival awards if it hadn't been released yet....? freak:

Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

Machette 07-29-2004 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

Its his great great grandpa or something...

Tripper 07-29-2004 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

Its his great great grandpa or something...

suck m y machte oOo:

Machette 07-29-2004 01:56 AM

eek: rock:

Bean 2 07-29-2004 10:46 AM

[quote="St@tIc":b6d89]holy shit,is itr just me or is the just from BOB(webster) in this,i think i saw him[/quote:b6d89]

there was a guy from BoB i think, but it wasnt webster. I think his name was Hasish from BoB. He was one of the replacements in episode 4. He was the one that tried to act like he knew what he was doing but he was doing it wrong and kept screwing up.

BlackJackal 07-29-2004 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
no. i think it's this year

[url:09354]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373283/[/url:09354]

Says 2003 in there.....

Plus, how could it win all those film festival awards if it hadn't been released yet....? freak:

Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

it was at teh festival last year. relase this year or next. all films go 2 a festival b4 release or pretty near all of em.

Tripper 07-29-2004 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
no. i think it's this year

[url:7e114]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373283/[/url:7e114]

Says 2003 in there.....

Plus, how could it win all those film festival awards if it hadn't been released yet....? freak:

Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

it was at teh festival last year. relase this year or next. all films go 2 a festival b4 release or pretty near all of em.

....Well that must explain how I'm "buying" a copy right as we speak...

St@tIc 07-29-2004 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
no. i think it's this year

[url:06b24]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373283/[/url:06b24]

Says 2003 in there.....

Plus, how could it win all those film festival awards if it hadn't been released yet....? freak:

Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

it was at teh festival last year. relase this year or next. all films go 2 a festival b4 release or pretty near all of em.

....Well that must explain how I'm "buying" a copy right as we speak...


hey once u *buy* it sent the *bought* copy to me cause im to lazy to *buy* it myself...plus i am *buying* the preview version of Hl2

snipes 07-30-2004 04:20 AM

Looks pretty good. The trailer looks kind oOo: I dunno. It might be better.

Reviews:

[quote:c0e85]Martin Lewison (milst1@yahoo.com)
Jersey City, NJ


Date: 25 July 2004
Summary: Why Mormons Don't Belong In Hollywood

This is what happens when Mormons are allowed to make feature films. What should be a great war story is completely ruined by an idiotic and heavy-handed religious message, a message filled with absurdity, arrogance, and hypocrisy, just like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. What should have been a great war movie (and the production values are high, I readily admit) is totally ruined by an annoying preachiness and an implied superiority of the religious characters. The main character tells of his certainty of the existence of a life after death and then freely shoots German soldiers (presumably to send them to that "better place") while feeling guilty about innocent civilians he's killed. The Germans are portrayed as two-dimensionally evil -- except for the one *Christian* German! He's got a heart of gold and betrays his country by saving the Americans' lives! Of course, the one character who is a skeptic of religion is portrayed as fundamentally unhappy and flawed (we learn that he tried to run away from the draft) and in the end he "comes around" to becoming a believer. The upshot is that this movie is a twisted piece of Christian religious propaganda. Don't feel bad if you miss it. [/quote:c0e85]

[quote:c0e85]Brian Bagnall
Canada

Date: 26 July 2004
Summary: Good beginning, average middle, powerful ending

This movie starts with the Malmedy massacre, which has always been controversial because researchers have had a difficult time trying to produce an accurate picture of what really occurred. The film manages to stage it fairly accurately, given the testimony from the soldiers at the time. It's worth noting under the Geneva convention, captors are allowed to shoot fleeing POW's, so technically the German's did nothing wrong and hence all who were brought to trial were eventually released.

There are times when the movie seems to create damning scenarios for the Germans that are not backed up by the historical record, such as the escapees finding a destroyed ambulance with the occupants dead. In reality, Germans did not destroy ambulances in WWII unless they were part of a larger convoy and accidentally taken out. Furthermore, some Germans in uniform behave barbarous, like when a peasant woman offers one bread and he throws it down. In reality, a German soldier would have been quite welcoming of non-ration food. So in may ways, the human motivations just seem skewed in order establish "evil".

Later in the film, four allied soldiers manage to take on ten to twenty heavily equipped German soldiers. German soldiers do things like walk into bullets, catch bullets with their heads, forget how to use their guns, and blow each other up with their own grenades. It just didn't seem realistic, though it was well filmed.

There are some surprisingly powerful moments in the film which add up to an ending more meaningful than anything Hollywood has ever managed. One character, a British pilot who meets up with the allies, is a real prick when they first meet him. At first, this put me off and it seemed like anti-British sentiment. However, Kirby Heyborne, who plays the British Oberon Winley, develops as a character, making the ending much more powerful for him having started as a nasty guy. I was surprised and moved by this redeeming outcome.

I was disappointed they chose to present a German soldier who betrays his own men as a good person. Sure, he knew one of the allies before the war, but treason is not a virtue! These Germans were fighting for their country, much of which was robbed post WWI and given to Poland and Czechoslovakia. A movie should not present a traitor as a role model in my opinion, even if he is on the enemy side.

Overall, it is great to see a film of such quality produced outside Hollywood. Diversity of ideas is a good thing, and this is just one more take on the war from a Mormon point of view, which is welcomed. As a materialist and an atheist, any religious message in the film was pretty much meaningless to me. Through the middle of the film, much like Saving Private Ryan, the soldiers have their soliloquies which belies the truth of how real soldiers would talk to one another. This movie had a great start, subdued middle, and a powerful finish which makes it worth watching. [/quote:c0e85]

[quote:c0e85]Summary: Just saw this movie...

...and it was fantastic. We went to a pre-screening last night in Salt Lake City where the producer, writer, and director answered questions afterward. I thought the film was very well-handled and definitely has a general audience appeal. Granted, it's hard to compete with big budget war films when you make a movie for just under a million dollars (read: This is not Schindler's List), but I agree with the director when he said it could easily compete with movies in the 15-20 million dollar range.

While I noticed my self critiquing the movie at first and almost looking for signs of amateurity, I soon forgot about that and was drawn into the story and moral dilemmas involved. The cinematography and editing both proved good, and the director proved his abilities quiet handily. While some the scenes do get pretty intense, the main focus here is more the personal effects of war than the number of bodies. Along with perhaps The Other Side of Heaven, definitely the most professional film from any Mormon director to date.[/quote:c0e85]

[quote:c0e85]kipluck
Provo, UT

Date: 17 July 2004
Summary: Surprisingly Good!

Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised, but I admit I am a bit cynical about "churchy" movies. But this was excellent. The "Mormon" aspect was tastefully done. Anyone could go and not feel as if it is didactic... it wasn't pushed on you, in fact, some may not even notice aside from a reference to being a missionary. This blows "Other Side of Heaven" away, and if that got mainstream play, this one had better as well. Granted, if you hate war movies you won't like this. But if you are interested in the history you will be pleased with the quality. Corbin Alred did better than I have ever seen him do, and other cast was also fantastic. I didn't love Kirby Heyborne, but even he pulled it off. It was sad... WAR is sad. Anyway, marvelous. [/quote:c0e85]

snipes 07-30-2004 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by GenBlackJackal
no. i think it's this year

[url:219a8]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373283/[/url:219a8]

Says 2003 in there.....

Plus, how could it win all those film festival awards if it hadn't been released yet....? freak:

Oh, and the dude in your sig looks like james miller, one of the trio of replacements that gets killed in holland on BoB.....

it was at teh festival last year. relase this year or next. all films go 2 a festival b4 release or pretty near all of em.

Yes true. It's having a wider release August 6th this year.

Tripper 07-30-2004 02:23 PM

Okay, I just watched the first half - There was nobody from BoB, or any other show or movie I had seen. The acting was medicore at best and the writing is just terrible. The action scenes are decent so far, and the cinematography is stunning.....


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