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Anita_Man 11-07-2004 11:52 AM

Indonesia to seek death penalty for Australian
 
Indonesian prosecutors say they are likely to push for the death penalty for a Queensland woman found with 4.1 kilograms of marijuana at Denpasar airport in Bali.

They said the amount of marijuana found in Schapelle Leigh Corby's body board bag meant they would "probably" charge her with an offence carrying the death penalty.

Ida Bagus Wiswantanu, of the Bali Prosecutor's Office, said after briefly examining the police allegations against Corby yesterday that it appeared there was a strong case to push for the maximum sentence.

Mr Wiswantanu said Indonesian law did not differentiate between heroin and marijuana.

"It's clear, the quantity will determine the impact on society, whether it's 4.1 kilograms or 0.1 grams," Mr Wismantanu said.

The head of Bali's drug squad, Lieutenant-Colonel Bambang Sugiarto, said: "It's a drug case and it must be the toughest so that it will intimidate others who try to copy her.

"There are warnings about the penalties at the airport in many areas, so we need to do this."

Mr Wismantanu said Corby was likely to be charged under three sections of Indonesia's drug laws, including the most serious, "which is death for trafficking or importing narcotics".

She has always insisted she is innocent and knows nothing about the large, vacuum-sealed, plastic bag of marijuana found in her unlocked body-board bag.

Her lawyer, Lily Sri Rahayu Lubis, complained yesterday that media reports had already "crucified" Corby by portraying her as guilty when she knew her to be innocent.

Ms Lubis said that before Corby could be convicted under the most serious section of the law, prosecutors would have to prove her guilty of a lesser charge, which prohibits possession of narcotics.

Before a death sentence could be obtained it would have to be proved that Corby had a network to distribute drugs.

She said police had been good to her client, and friends and relatives had been able to bring her food and drink and books.

Indonesian police yesterday delivered to the prosecutor's office their dossier that they said included the records of interview with Corby and nine witnesses.

Prosecutors can now study that document for 14 days before deciding if they want more information from the police.

Once they have the information they need, they will produce an indictment setting out the charges present it to the court, which must set a trial date.

Ms Lubis said Corby's case was unlikely to begin until next year.

Lieutenant-Colonel Sugiarto said police were still running tests on the cannabis to see whether it came from Australia or was grown in Indonesia.




What a fucked country that is glad I live in the USA.

Miscguy 11-07-2004 11:56 AM

Thats a bit over kill for some grass. Im not a fan of weed either, but killing someone for it just seems stupid.

Sirus 11-07-2004 11:56 AM

death penalty for carrying weed eek: those people need to take some of that for themselves and calmdown:

geRV 11-07-2004 11:57 AM

Death penalty for dope...wtf do murderers get? skin peeled off and rolled in salt? oOo:

TonyMontana 11-07-2004 12:02 PM

what's the source of this story?

TGB! 11-07-2004 12:02 PM

Its THEIR country. THEIR laws. This is why you make sure you know whats on you at ALL times. If shes innocent then its fucked up - but you cant piss on that countries shoes because they have a law stricter than yours. And its Indonesia folks - not freaking Canada.

Miscguy 11-07-2004 12:05 PM

They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

WidowMaker555 11-07-2004 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by geRV
Death penalty for dope...wtf do murderers get? skin peeled off and rolled in salt? oOo:

i dont even wanna think about that. cuss:

TGB! 11-07-2004 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

Eight Ace 11-07-2004 01:05 PM

They seem to be having trouble making charges stick for the self
confessed Bali bombers and their "spritual leader"who blew up and
burned 202 people incl. 88 Australians....but their law is working like
a well oiled machine in the case of this individual, fucking arseholes.

Madmartagen 11-07-2004 01:33 PM

You have got to be a fucking moron to carry weed in Indonesia, everyone knows they dont put up with that shit. If you guys do any traveling, you need to make sure of the laws and customs before you go, because being a US/Canadian citizen doesnt mean shit if you arent in the US/Canada.

Anita_Man 11-07-2004 02:14 PM

[quote:ea08f]You have got to be a fucking moron to carry weed in Indonesia, everyone knows they dont put up with that shit. If you guys do any traveling, you need to make sure of the laws and customs before you go, because being a US/Canadian citizen doesnt mean shit if you arent in the US/Canada.
[/quote:ea08f]


very true! beer:

elstatec 11-07-2004 02:16 PM

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Mr.Buttocks 11-07-2004 02:18 PM

Word!

Pyro 11-07-2004 02:23 PM

[quote="TGB!":b7baa]
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Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.[/quote:b7baa]

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?

Mr.Buttocks 11-07-2004 02:25 PM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":d0852
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Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?[/quote:d0852]

They need to GTFO of Iraq. (Alive, if possible.)

TGB! 11-07-2004 02:52 PM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":32545
Quote:

Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?[/quote:32545]

Last I checked Shawn PM Allawi was calling the shots. If you have information to the contrary please -

[quote:32545]They need to GTFO of Iraq.[/quote:32545]

Thankfully - neither is YOUR country.

Tripper 11-07-2004 08:12 PM

[quote="TGB!":a39be]Its THEIR country. THEIR laws. This is why you make sure you know whats on you at ALL times. If shes innocent then its fucked up - but you cant piss on that countries shoes because they have a law stricter than yours. And its Indonesia folks - not freaking Canada.[/quote:a39be]

Don't you think it's kind of silly though? I mean, a crime like that, it could be pretty easy to be framed/innocent and end up being killed for such a petty, victimless crime.....Frightening if you're a foreigner.

I mean, that could have been planted by someone in the airport.....If you wanted to murder someone, shit, just give 'em a kilo of marijuana and a ticket to Indonesia, the government there will take care of it.

...It's a bit extreme to have a death penalty for that....Life in prison is bad enough to deter criminals.

Pyro 11-07-2004 08:14 PM

[quote="TGB!":d1c70][quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":d1c70
Quote:

Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?[/quote:d1c70]

Last I checked Shawn PM Allawi was calling the shots. If you have information to the contrary please -

[quote:d1c70]They need to GTFO of Iraq.[/quote:d1c70]

Thankfully - neither is YOUR country.[/quote:d1c70]

Im moreso talking before the illegal occuping of Iraqi land.

Proteus 11-07-2004 08:26 PM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":f62fe
Quote:

Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?[/quote:f62fe]

Yeah, I'm sure Iraq hates freedom.

bukdez 11-07-2004 08:26 PM

[quote="TGB!":ae786]Its THEIR country. THEIR laws. This is why you make sure you know whats on you at ALL times. If shes innocent then its fucked up - but you cant piss on that countries shoes because they have a law stricter than yours. And its Indonesia folks - not freaking Canada.[/quote:ae786]

stupid: ...

11-07-2004 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Proteus
Yeah, I'm sure Iraq hates freedom.

gee they sure are accepting it so well eek:

Pyro 11-07-2004 08:29 PM

[quote=Proteus]
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Originally Posted by Pyro
Quote:

Originally Posted by "TGB!":2dbbf
Quote:

Originally Posted by Miscguy
They can have all the stupid ass over reactive laws they want. It doesnt change the fact that its a bit much given the offense.

Because youre judging from a different societal frame of reference than they are - the two can not compare which is WHY we have so many of these situations. . .foreigners going into other countries unprepared for the social contracts that exist in them.

What gives America the right to judge the way Iraq runs their country?

Yeah, I'm sure Iraq hates freedom.[/quote:2dbbf]

I don't see it being much better than before.

Pyro 11-07-2004 08:30 PM

I also love the fact that America thinks france is gay and has to fight their battles for them, but never thank them for helping during their independance. They were the biggest supporter to america.

TGB! 11-07-2004 08:43 PM

[quote=Tripper]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "TGB!":9c95b
Its THEIR country. THEIR laws. This is why you make sure you know whats on you at ALL times. If shes innocent then its fucked up - but you cant piss on that countries shoes because they have a law stricter than yours. And its Indonesia folks - not freaking Canada.

Don't you think it's kind of silly though? I mean, a crime like that, it could be pretty easy to be framed/innocent and end up being killed for such a petty, victimless crime.....Frightening if you're a foreigner.

I mean, that could have been planted by someone in the airport.....If you wanted to murder someone, shit, just give 'em a kilo of marijuana and a ticket to Indonesia, the government there will take care of it.

...It's a bit extreme to have a death penalty for that....Life in prison is bad enough to deter criminals.[/quote:9c95b]

I think its extreme ONLY because I come from this country. But we allow women to achieve incredible stature in this country - something someone from the middle east might look at and say "what the fuck is going on here" -

Yes it sucks that this person - if this story is true - may well be executed, and this persons home country has nothing they can do beyond diplomatic intervention.

[quote:9c95b]Im moreso talking before the illegal occuping of Iraqi land.[/quote:9c95b]

I guess the US forget the part where it was supposed to get Saddams signature to allow them to go to war and overthrow his government. Silly us. Next time well give you a call to make sure we're doing things the right way.

bukdez 11-07-2004 08:44 PM

stupid: ...

you keep saying that we should not compare our values or laws to theirs (Indonesia) due to societal differences, but then willingly admit/support the overthorwing of a country (Iraq) with societal differences from your own... please explain how it's ok for certain countries to be different, but not others...

tomxtr 11-07-2004 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bukdez
stupid: ...

you keep saying that we should not compare our values or laws to theirs (Indonesia) due to societal differences, but then willingly admit/support the overthorwing of a country (Iraq) with societal differences from your own... please explain how it's ok for certain countries to be different, but not others...

Last time I checked Indonesia hadn't recently invaded a neighboring country and put themselves under the world's scrutiny. I really wish that the US would have ousted Saddamn during the first Persian Gulf war. I didn't hear anyone complaining when the US liberated Kuwait and protected Saudia Arabia.

And I take issue with people saying the US overthrew the the country. The US overthrew the old regime, but we want nothing to do with running their country. Most Americans, including this one want us out of there as soon as possible. That being said, leaving now helps no one.

TGB! 11-08-2004 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bukdez
stupid: ...

you keep saying that we should not compare our values or laws to theirs (Indonesia) due to societal differences, but then willingly admit/support the overthorwing of a country (Iraq) with societal differences from your own... please explain how it's ok for certain countries to be different, but not others...

How is removing a regime thats retarding world peace a societal difference of opinion? If Indonesias actions were threatening the world at large then yes it would be time to evaluate this action in the same light. Its not.

Pyro 11-08-2004 12:42 AM

America is probably the biggest threat to World PEace if anything.

Mr.Buttocks 11-08-2004 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyro
America is probably the biggest threat to World PEace if anything.

I agree with the above statement by Pyro, the honourable member from Brampton south.

Tripper 11-08-2004 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomxtr
I didn't hear anyone complaining when the US liberated Kuwait and protected Saudia Arabia.

What did you liberate from Iraq in this war?

tomxtr 11-08-2004 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
Quote:

Originally Posted by tomxtr
I didn't hear anyone complaining when the US liberated Kuwait and protected Saudia Arabia.

What did you liberate from Iraq in this war?

How about the Iraqi Kurds and the Shiites for starters. rolleyes:

butch 11-08-2004 08:06 AM

Hopefully all their oil. Damn gas prices are getting to high in the US. As for the death sentance for weed. We should do that in the US. It would cut way back on the dealers on the corners not to mention the surplus population in this country. rock:

geRV 11-08-2004 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by butch
Hopefully all their oil. Damn gas prices are getting to high in the US. As for the death sentance for weed. We should do that in the US. It would cut way back on the dealers on the corners not to mention the surplus population in this country. rock:

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Jimbo@ 11-08-2004 08:16 AM

Should the woman be severly punished for smuggling drugs into the country and for attempted dealing? Yes. Should she be executed for it? No.

bukdez 11-08-2004 08:43 AM

[quote="TGB!":425a2]
Quote:

Originally Posted by bukdez
stupid: ...

you keep saying that we should not compare our values or laws to theirs (Indonesia) due to societal differences, but then willingly admit/support the overthorwing of a country (Iraq) with societal differences from your own... please explain how it's ok for certain countries to be different, but not others...

How is removing a regime thats retarding world peace a societal difference of opinion? If Indonesias actions were threatening the world at large then yes it would be time to evaluate this action in the same light. Its not.[/quote:425a2]

rofl... good point, it is a bit of a bad comparison... my point is that everywhere in the world is different and sometimes we (the western world) assume that everyone strives to be like us, which many do, but many don't... I guess I've always thought that democracy was something that couldn't be forced on people, I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens...

Madmartagen 11-08-2004 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
America is probably the biggest threat to World PEace if anything.

I actually agree with that at this point in time. Anyways, to stay on topic, while this womans possible punishment is very extreme and inhumane, the fact is that countries dont always have the same values as we do. It is aslo widely known that marijuana traffiking and useage is considered a very large offense in some countries, especially Indonesia and Singapore. If shes guilty, she owes her death to her own stupididy rather than on the government that executes her.

Eight Ace 11-08-2004 08:13 PM

^^That's why Bali is famous for dope, mushrooms etc., the police that arrest
you are probably the same ones who sold you the dope, Indonesia is and
has been one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet, so when they come
on with this type of holier than thou bullshit their hypocracy is even more nauseating.



Quote:

Originally Posted by tomxtr
Last time I checked Indonesia hadn't recently invaded a neighboring country and put themselves under the world's scrutiny.

Then you have obviously never heard of Indonesias treatment of
East Timor, one of it's small and helpless ex "protecorates"....pure brutality.
...they were well and truly under the worlds scrutiny and were told to GTFO,
which, after destroying everything in the country, they did. Then they sent
a bill to the devastated East Timorese for the damage, they are shit.

Tripper 11-08-2004 08:30 PM

[quote="Eight Ace":54153]^^That's why Bali is famous for dope, mushrooms etc., the police that arrest
you are probably the same ones who sold you the dope, Indonesia is and
has been one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet, so when they come
on with this type of holier than thou bullshit their hypocracy is even more nauseating.



Quote:

Originally Posted by tomxtr
Last time I checked Indonesia hadn't recently invaded a neighboring country and put themselves under the world's scrutiny.

Then you have obviously never heard of Indonesias treatment of
East Timor, one of it's small and helpless ex "protecorates"....pure brutality.
...they were well and truly under the worlds scrutiny and were told to GTFO,
which, after destroying everything in the country, they did. Then they sent
a bill to the devastated East Timorese for the damage, they are shit.[/quote:54153]

Ja, and we had to pick up the pieces.... hake:


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