Major Operation: Fallujah
 

Uh... discuss? oOo:


Guerilla Warfare > all

Read in the newspaper that they are expected to have the most intese urban fighting since Vietnam............

http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndgu ... t=IRAQ.HTM

[quote:1f06f]There's no doubt who is going to win this battle, what is in question is the number of American casualties. Historically, going back to World War II, American troops have excelled at urban warfare, often killing 20-30 enemy troops for every American soldier. The American advantage has been firepower and numbers, but today there is also better intelligence and training. It's a dangerous game, for mistakes get people killed, and that's what the anti-government forces want for their propaganda campaign in favor of establishing a new Sunni Arab dictatorship in Iraq. However, the urban battles in Iraq so far have followed the historical pattern, with far greater enemy casualties and fighting which ended in days. No one paid much attention as the Sadr gangs were systematically cleaned out of several Iraqi cities over the last few months. But people are paying attention now, but Fallujah is unlikely to demonstrate anything new.[/quote:1f06f]

And this city is worth the lives of soldiers how? stupid:

Well, i guess every generation needs its vietnam.

think the city is packed with rebels... oOo:

You may think it is useless, but this might really make the occupation time shorter. Fallujah is supposedly an "HQ" of a lot of the insurgents. I think it is also testing the Iraqi Army and police.

Read the article, it's long but interesting and informative.

[quote="Jin-Roh":aa67f]You may think it is useless, but this might really make the occupation time shorter. Fallujah is supposedly an "HQ" of a lot of the insurgents. I think it is also testing the Iraqi Army and police.[/quote:aa67f]
Yea i guess its why they made it to a hospital with little or no resistance?

Just fucking packed.

hake:

3 american deaths in 24 hrs

its like vietnam, we dont know the area as well as they do.

[quote="Sgt. Paine":aa2e2]its like vietnam, we dont know the area as well as they do.[/quote:aa2e2]

US intelligence can see you BBQ'ing in the backyard, dont give me that shit like they are going in there blind

can they see me spanking my monkey?

[quote=TonyMontana]US intelligence can see you BBQ'ing in the backyard, dont give me that shit like they are going in there blind[/quote:41097]ahhahhaahha

No, but the Justice Department and secret service can see your avatar, and they don't like it one bit.

I can



I heard some of the ragheads were shouting & yelling islamic prayers at the Marines & the Marines responded by turning on some heavy metal music & blasting it out of some big azz speakers. rock:

Apocalypse Now anyone?

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[quote=TonyMontana]US intelligence can see you BBQ'ing in the backyard, dont give me that shit like they are going in there blind[/quote:68dfc]

Agreed. However, the brand of BBQ sauce being used is still a bit cloudy.

[quote="Jin-Roh":a1a28][quote=TonyMontana]US intelligence can see you BBQ'ing in the backyard, dont give me that shit like they are going in there blind[/quote:a1a28]

Agreed. However, the brand of BBQ sauce being used is still a bit cloudy.[/quote:a1a28]

Dude 3 deaths in 24 hours? Thats it? Holy shit you guys make it seem like thats a lot. You know back in WW2 and vietnam in 24 hours there would be over 200 soldiers dead. Thats war, deatsh do happen.

Hmmm... well... I got about 25,000 dead in one day during WWII, but I am not sure.

6 x 365 = 2190

55,000,000 / 2190 = 25,000

oOo:

I am a WWII nerd and try to do as much 'math' as possible. I have the number of rounds that were at the German armies disposal during the invasion of Poland biggrin:

[quote="Jin-Roh":6edae]Hmmm... well... I got about 25,000 dead in one day during WWII, but I am not sure.

6 x 365 = 2190

55,000,000 / 2190 = 25,000

oOo:

I am a WWII nerd and try to do as much 'math' as possible. I have the number of rounds that were at the German armies disposal during the invasion of Poland biggrin:[/quote:6edae]
nerd.

I'll give my two cents since I was doing FIBUA (Fighting In Built Up Areas) training on the weekend.

I would NOT want to be a Marine or US soldier having to clear houses in Iraq. Those guys are brave as anything and I commend them for that, even if they are there illegally and under false pretences.

We went to an abandoned warehouse that had a couple floors of office space and basements and other areas. Let me tell ya everytime an attempt was made to clear the building, casualties were taken. Stairs and hallways are choke point, and it is EASY to take out troops.

You'd also be suprised at the number of troops required to take certain buildings.

I gurantee there will be high civilian casualties. When you go into buildings, you go guns blazing. Ask questions later. I don't want to die, so civilians dying is kind of OK. Thats the way it is in urban combat.

I have a question.

For training, do you train with airsoft guns or anything like that? I know the Iserali army(or some place like that) uses paintball guns for training.

Oh man you have no idea ninty, i did a week straight of MOUT, and that is asshole puckersing, Simulated IEDs are scary as fuck. You cant even see them because the iraqis hide them so well. I got my legs blown off in a mach war we had, I tripped over a trip wire i didnt even see, its just impossible.

And it takes basically an entire squad to clean a small 2 story house. Its ridiculous. Im proud of my boys over there fighting.

Fuck no, we either use the stupid laser shit. Or we use Simunition which guys you never EVER want to be hit buy. its about as worse as getting shot for real. You trade out the upper reciever of the M16 so it will fit these 9mm Chalk filled bullets that when they hit you, it makes you literally cry and bleed from the welt, because they come out just as fast as a real bullet.

good luck fellas.

Tell us more stories! dance:

This fight is gonna more different The town is filled with wanna-be-martyrs. However the Americans got the advantage in air superiority and tanks.

[quote="Jimbo@":4880a]This fight is gonna more different The town is filled with wanna-be-martyrs. However the Americans got the advantage in air superiority and tanks.[/quote:4880a]tanks are really going to help you much when you're trying to clear our a building.

if you want to see a video of some of the fighting heres a link to a video .... mms://a2.v9186a.c9186.g.vm.akamaistream ... ;0;1:2;2:2 ... [/url]

[quote=Coleman]tanks are really going to help you much when you're trying to clear our a building.[/quote:07894]

you are correct.

[quote=strvs]Yea i guess its why they made it to a hospital with little or no resistance?

Just fucking packed.[/quote:9fca9]

You mean the hospital on the edge of town?

Some life advice.. always use this order of operations:

1. Think
2. Speak (if you must, please don't waste oxygen that's good for the rest of us)

[quote=Coleman]tanks are really going to help you much when you're trying to clear our a building.[/quote:4aab8]

Tanks are not so effective in urban-combat. Look at Somalia, not even trucks/humvees were that effective in the conflict there. Or something like that oOo:

I think we will kick ass in Fallujah and I will be surprised if we get pushed back

Anyone have a video on the Insurgent's point of view.

[quote="Jin-Roh":15619][quote=Coleman]tanks are really going to help you much when you're trying to clear our a building.[/quote:15619]

Tanks are not so effective in urban-combat. Look at Somalia, not even trucks/humvees were that effective in the conflict there. Or something like that oOo:[/quote:15619]

Bull shit tanks arent effective, use those bastards for cover and if a house is pounding you, call in fire on that mother fucker. Doesnt matter whats in it, if its a threat its dead. Thats the Marine doctrine.

[quote=Milla][quote="Jin-Roh":cb418]Tanks are not so effective in urban-combat. Look at Somalia, not even trucks/humvees were that effective in the conflict there. Or something like that oOo:[/quote:cb418]

Bull shit tanks arent effective, use those bastards for cover and if a house is pounding you, call in fire on that mother fucker. Doesnt matter whats in it, if its a threat its dead. Thats the Marine doctrine.[/quote:cb418]

I am obviously assuming that all urban-combat involves small streets less than 10 feet wide. stupid:

[quote="Jin-Roh":32447][quote=Milla][quote="Jin-Roh":32447]Tanks are not so effective in urban-combat. Look at Somalia, not even trucks/humvees were that effective in the conflict there. Or something like that oOo:[/quote:32447]

Bull shit tanks arent effective, use those bastards for cover and if a house is pounding you, call in fire on that mother fucker. Doesnt matter whats in it, if its a threat its dead. Thats the Marine doctrine.[/quote:32447]

I am obviously assuming that all urban-combat involves small streets less than 10 feet wide. stupid:[/quote:32447]

not all of em. And if it is, than you bring the LAVs in which is what i do. And we take our Bushmaster 25 MM cannon and just eat a building up if we have to.

[quote="Jin-Roh":f1cfc][quote=Coleman]tanks are really going to help you much when you're trying to clear our a building.[/quote:f1cfc]

Tanks are not so effective in urban-combat. Look at Somalia, not even trucks/humvees were that effective in the conflict there. Or something like that oOo:[/quote:f1cfc] ... i wouldnt want to be a building and have a tank firing at it ..

gl to the boys @ Falluja...

i totally missed the "n't" in aren't in my first thread. That changes things now doen't it?

Tanks are very usefull in Urban combat.