60th Anniversary of Auschwitz Liberation
 

1.1 million deaths annoy:

RIP

Pretty surreal and incredibly sad. Such an enormous black mark on history.

(btw, I deleted that nonsense originally posted here... hake: )

Yeah, thanks cool:

Never knew they labled part of the camp "Canada" and the workers Canadians"

It's sad but it doesn't really matter to me. I guess it's just my arrogant american talking. freak:

[quote:44feb]Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The way that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the Angel of Death
Four hundred thousand more to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood

Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the Aryan race

Surgery, with no anesthesia
Feel the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die
Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death

Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'Til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust
Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid Angel of Death
Flying free

(LEADS: HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN, KING, HANNEMAN)

[ Angel of Death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of Death

Angel of Death]
[/quote:44feb]

your entire nation pulling together and sacrificing much, including their lives to end the spread of evil and genocide in Europe doesn't matter to you?... it's the reason Americans should be arrogant...

One of the reasons we are seen as arrogant around the world.

i read that a fox news reporter denied the holocaust on this one website, id post the link but it also has some reaaaaly disturbing videos of terrorists executing hostages

ive been to auschwitz and it was one of the most powerful moments of my life, you can feel the death and dispair in that place, there were still specks of bone in the soil around the river.

i think the christian conservatives in this country very much engulf that fascist mentality, i think that some of that same evil still exists in positions of power today and its a horrible shame....

RIP to the 6 million jews who died in the holocaust

Amen to that^^^ Has anyone here seen the documentaries auschwitz on pbs. 2 hour series every wednesday. They started last week. Very fascinating and informative on how aushwitz was created. Very good documentary.

I caught about 5 minutes of it...havnt really had a chance to watch it...

please dont confuse him with US

I can't even begin to understand what it must have been like for the victims of Auschwitz and any of the other concentration camps....Reminds me how much I hate nazis, racists and facists. annoy:

RIP

more work should be done to educate people about the halocaust

First of all, so I don't derail this thread, RIP to those who died at Auschwitz. There's a special place in hell for those who committed the worst atrocities our generation has ever seen.

I'm both a Christian and a conservative. I'm tired of being generalized and lumped in with a small portion of right-wing extremists. That line of thinking makes you guilty of some of the same things you accuse the "christian conservatives" of. I'm talking about fear-mongering, stereotyping and witch hunting. Wake up and smell reality; fractional portions of society recieve the most attention because they are DIFFERENT. For example: right-wing christian extremists, left-wing environmentalists, muslim sects (sunni etc.) associated with terrorism... the list goes on and on. These are merely recent examples; look back at history and note that those who's opinions and standards are different from whats generally accepted stand out.

I'll stop myself from rambling now, but my point is this: Lumping Christians together as "the new evil" is just as bad if not worse than what some extreme examples of Christians are doing today.

screw the other 6 million who have been labeled my history as "miscellaneous" an have been ignored. The gypsies, the homosexuals, scientists, artists, etc

People tend to forget about the "others". From watching TV today you'd think it was only Jews that had died. rolleyes:

too bad we haven't learned our lessons yet.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":67239]
please dont confuse him with US[/quote:67239]

Holy shit, excuse me. I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to not take a day out of week to express my sadness for those who have died. Just because the holocaust isn't a major concern to me doesn't mean I don't think it happened or I don't care that we went to war and stopped it. Sorry I didn't put RIP at the end of my post..

well said

Everyone knows about the holocaust, i dont see why we need to have a commemoration, remembrance or any other shit every single year that goes by. The survivors need to move along and their kids need to use the fortune their parents gave them to make something out of their lives that doesnt require the rest of the world to make a fat boohoo for them. There were 20 million Chinese who died and another 10 or 15 million Soviets who died too.

^

And RIP. I hope society never forgets.

Well, if we don't recognise one of these events, how will we learn for the future?

P.S Why do you think everyone knows about the holocaust? ....And don't say movies because we can't rely on those too teach us what is right and wrong.

As long as we continue to write the history books and as long as those documentaries are coming out, the world will never forget what happened in WW2. Nazism is synonomous with mass genocide and Auschwitz. The very very few ignorant people out there are in denial about it. The vast majority knows what happened and so future generations are pretty much guaranteed to be educated about it. Movies actually do influence people; Schindlers List immortalized what happened, and will most certainly become one of the classic movies shown over again in the future.

I dont mean to take light of the events that happened, but this is so OFN by now, i find it boring to see how the subject is brought out in every single subject. It isnt about genocide anymore, its strictly about how the poor Jews were brutalized and what can we as a society do to ensure they get their 15 minutes every year. Its just as much PR as having those advertisements with the white, latin, black and asian kids for the Boys and Girls club. They (jews) have had generations to move on, they have their own country, they have museums and support groups to make everyone remember. I think they need to get over it already.

RIP

Dude.....Not cool. These people are still alive. I could understand what you were saying if there were no Holocaust survivors still alive, but the events are still directly effecting people, and quite frankly you have absolutely no right to tell them to "get over it already."

It's really as simple as that. That's why the day of remembrance remains. I personally associate the holocaust with a warning about blindly following a leader. It's a perfect example of what happens when you do that. I can't think, off the top of my head, of any other atrocity against humanity that illustrates that point better.
It teaches us to be cynical of those which otherwise would lead us to our downfall, no matter how charming or charasmatic they are.

ok the term 'get over it' wasnt cool and was harsh. the main thing im trying to say is that they shouldnt get this much attention after the war when so many more were violated. Where is the sympathy for the Chinese and other people of S Asia? Japan hasnt made any formal apologies for what they did, but instead try to stir sympathy for themselves because the US dropped two atomic bombs on them. I think the Jews should grieve for what happend, but the rest of the world needs to focus elsewhere.

i cant believe what i am fucking reading here.

I think western society grasps onto the holocaust because it's a lesson learnt that seems alot closer to home. I'm sure events like the rape of Nanking, etc, and other major atrocities against the Chinese are remembered to a point in Asia, although, it's hard to fathom another societies views, so I really don't know.

To me, the holocaust sums up all other world atrocities in a clear cut case, that doesn't mean that other genocides in the world should just be forgotten - I don't agree with special treatment of the memories of that particular atrocity over others, although It does seem alot closer to home for me.

D-day .... the reason these camps were shut down. i didnt see the French army rushing to fight the germans, maybe the russians would have gotten to these camps at some point , but the main reason these camps were liberated was because of Americans and British ,Candian soldiers coming ashore at Normandy. Dam right we're arrogant

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What he said. You really don't know what the fuck you're jabbing on aboot.

Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.

the Russians liberated Auschwitz dip-shit...
[url:a4a45]http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/01/28/leaders_mark_auschwitz_liberation?pg=2[/url:a4a45]

and the French, having already been defeated had little option to resist, oh and by the way they did resist, do you think the makers of MOHA:AA just conjured the idea of a French Resistance out of thin air?...

[quote="Eight Ace":86974]Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.[/quote:86974]

nothing in this world has caused me greater direct emotional empathy than watching an old man reach to pay for his groceries and seeing his concentration camp tattoo...

[quote="Eight Ace":e76b4]Given the magnitude of what was done and the pure evil behind it, I don't mind if the
Jews or anyone else remind us of the holocaust as long as there are people on earth.

Those who are accusing Jews of hogging the atrocity lime-light while Russians, Poles, gays, gypsies and
others are not remembered, remember them yourselves if you really feel that strongly, contact their governments
about it, meanwhile thank the Jews for also reminding us where these others were brutalised and slaughtered.

As far as "getting over it", ..as Tripper pointed out, many survivors are still alive, and their families
have had to live with it too, they've found no peace in Israel and have to deal with anti-semitic wankers
in most other places around the globe...not exactly what I'd call closure.

To anyone who feels this remembrance is totally ruining their lifestyle...stiff shit.[/quote:e76b4]

Abso-fucking-lutely summed up right there, I agree totally^^^

[quote=Proteus]Holy shit, excuse me. I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to not take a day out of week to express my sadness for those who have died. Just because the holocaust isn't a major concern to me doesn't mean I don't think it happened or I don't care that we went to war and stopped it. Sorry I didn't put RIP at the end of my post..[/quote:3e69a]
No, we dont mind that, your allowed to have your opinion nazi fuck But we just dont want this INTERNATIONAL community to think that that is the prevailing view of americans.

also, Im tired of people saying the americans are just as bad for dropping atomic bombs on japan. If we hadn't, we would hve had to invade and even more peeps would have died. there are some good books out there that should be read about the pacific war, "Flyboys" by James Bradly is the best, IMP.

[quote=bukdez]nothing in this world has caused me greater direct emotional empathy than watching an old man reach to pay for his groceries and seeing his concentration camp tattoo...[/quote:ec229]

True to that. For me it was when we had the former owner of Bick's (Pickle Company), come in and tell us his story of how he survived the holocaust and lost his entire family to it. He told us about getting off the rail carts, and being seperated at auschwitz from his mother and sister, He wondered what happned to them, when he later asked a fellow inmate in his bunk, the man brought him outside and pointed to the smoke. I found it to be the most powerful story that I had ever heard. "Get Over it", you say ? .. What you should really be saying is "how can I not forget it". It is not only a scar for the Jewish community of the world, but a scar on us all, a testament to our own complete failure to prevent such events.