Yeah a realism mod fixed that.

BUT, How can a sniper on a landing craft hit someone in the middle section with ease.

vice versa of course...

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And i mean running like to get the bomb.

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The Bazooka require much more skill when shooting moving targets far away.

whenever i use it its rather easy. just have to guess what their next move will be.

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people who whine about shotties being used by noobs and don't require skills are the ones that are frustrated as hell because they kept gettin blown off... its bullshit to say that using a shotgun requires no skill..whatever...so a person with a 100-20 kill rate on DM using a shottie is just all flukie with no skills..you are dreaming.. anybody can use a shotgun but it doesnt mean anybody will be good at it.. same with an smg and a rocket and a sniper rifle...a shottie have 5 shells.. if you need to shot twice to kill someone then you suck period. thats the bottom line... 1 shot 1 kill just as with the sniper rifle. if yer deadly in a shottie its sufface to say your also pretty good on an smg.. its all in the aim and that itself is a skill. Anyway here's a tip if ya face a shottie in a room.. move back, dodge left n right while plantin his head with yer smg.. unless he's lethal with his aim he's toast. However if yer 2 feet from him..forget it.. you'll never beat em. Its fact.

and i thought that well knew that i pumped some1 twice in the head but they pulled out there pistol gave me 1 shot (in the lower torso) and I died how fucked is that.

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my range was 2 yrds away from him. but how did i not get him


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Sniping is more skill, you actually have to move from place to place, if u camp you'll aventually be found, but with shotgun it takes hardly no skill, you just shoot the fuck outa every thing and hope it hits someone lol.

correct sgt.saiyin but your downfall in that comment is that you HOPE to hit someone. so if u didnt have skill ud be pepperd by smgs and blasted by rockets.

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correct sgt.saiyin but your downfall in that comment is that you HOPE to hit someone. so if u didnt have skill ud be pepperd by smgs and blasted by rockets.

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uhmm the only way you dont get blasted by a rocket is if he misses. how does that take skill on your part?

shotty is close range with a wide spread. any moron with a 2 dolla mouse can hit a target like that.

How is using a shotgun considered skillful? It's even easier to use than the bazooka.

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you get 5 rounds, reloading takes awhile, and if youre not at close range you're screwed, or if youre a HPB. i find it harder to use than the SMGs, but thats just me

Someone on this thread mentioned that using the shottie takes more skill becuase of the slow reload time.

Slow reloads are irrelevant if you blast someone with your first two shots. Heh.

But I still think sniping takes more skill. Ever try to drop someone who's running 20 yards away firing at you and try to hit him UNSCOPED? Or how about trying to pick someone off who's on a dead run to cross the street (weapon holstered for full speed) from 200 yards (like on The Hunt)?

sniper rifle is harder to use then a shotgun is with the shotgun you suck so bad that you need like a 20 yard diameter on youre shots to kill a guy while with a sniper you got to wait and wait and then hit moving targets and all that sniper rifles are by far harder

Interesting point on both guns being on the opposite end of the spectrum.

They are both 1 shot kills, however one is long range one is short range.

There is probably no point in what takes the most skill. One could make a case for any weapon.

I have a new idea for juding the weapons. What weapon have you had the most fun with?

Being an lpb I've used all the weapons, I've gotten the most kills with SMG, which in my opinion is the most versatile. However, I've had a lot of fun with the ol' shottie. For example on the hunt, being on the allies and rushing through on the right hand side popping nazis in the face as i rush through the hallways then having to deal with a sniper by the church with only a pistol and nades.

I guess my point in this whole thread was to give some respect to the shottie whores and stop treating snipers like gods. We shotgun weilders are the ones sticking our necks out by rushing through hallways to stop anyone from getting our snipers. We are the one's with the balls dancing around like mad-men risking sitting out for 10 minutes in spectator mode while the snipers hide in the shadows playing cat and mouse. Long live the shottie.

The only reason the shotgun is so easy is because the other guns are incorrectly modeled.
The shotgun has a faster "reaction" (I tested it and I have better reaction with the shotgun than with the BAR or Tommy)
Also if I shot any one of you with a real Tommy Gun at close range, even if you were wearing a kevlar vest, you would be flat on your ass from one shot, period! It's a .45 cal weapon, it don't take 4-5 shots to kill someone.
The BAR is also too weak and random, and takes a hell of a long time to swing around.

One time I was playing Stalingrad, I got sick of everything and started using a shotgun. I got the same score in 3 minutes that it took me 12 minutes to get with normal weapons.

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Honestly, all weapons take skill to use, even using a rocket launcher needs skill so that you don't blow yourself up.

Whether or not people try and incorporate these skills is another question. So in conclusion you can't really say one weapon is harder to use then another.

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Why do you all have to have everything fed to you in black and white terms?

Neither the shotgun nor the Sniper are more skillful to use. They are just different.

People seem to forget that it's the skill of the player behind the gun that makes the difference.

What if someone starts a map with a shotgun, but switches at the first opportunity to an SMG or MG when they see one on the floor?

Are they lame?

You all need some perspective.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by [spiewalk]:
Honestly, all weapons take skill to use, even using a rocket launcher needs skill so that you don't blow yourself up.

Whether or not people try and incorporate these skills is another question. So in conclusion you can't really say one weapon is harder to use then another.

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umm how many guys using rockets do you see that dont blow themselves up any chance they get to kill you? i sure dont see many

Alright, an interesting topic came up the other day on a server I was playing on. What gun overall takes more skill to use? Shotgun or Sniper Rifle? I am sick of people complaining when they get shot with a shotgun, calling whoever is behind it a newb and whining. People say it is cheap! I'll tell you what is cheap, crouching in the dark waiting for someone to walk out a door. I propose that the shotgun is a more difficult weapon to use. Granted it's easy to pull the trigger when you run into someone coming through a door. But, Hey! That's what the weapon is foor, close quarters. But you can't tell me it doesn't take skill to dance around 4 SMG'ers on the roof of omaha. It takes much more agility to dodge bullets and come in close enough to get decent range out of the shotgun than kneeling down and switching from target to target with a sniper rifle. So, give the boom-stick some respect!

correct cuz u gotta get close and most of the time pump em twice.

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uhmmmm moving side to side and closing distance doesnt take that much skill.

aiming at a target that is close range with a spread projectile weapon doesnt take skill.

a sniper that can hit a moving target consitently gets more respect from me than a shotty whore.

i find it funny cause the "l33t" shot whores can only use one gun. they cant score similar numbers with any other gun.

also dont think that going up against 4 smgers and winning is an everyday thing. you know that was a fluke and you should be dead.

Actual the shotgun takes more skill then the sniper IMHO. Hitting a moving target is not hard in this game. Just lead them a bit and fire when the cross your hairs.
With the shottie you need to ensure you hit the first time, since it is so slow to reload. You also have to run people down.

Both guns are on different ends of the spectrum. Shottie need to run people done (close quaters comabat), sniper you need to stay out of peoples way.




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sniper is harder. shotgun is all reflexes for me

The shotgun has more pellets in it right now than it should. So it is a little more powerful then it really was then.

true. still buckshot at point blank range will screw you up bad. i wonder if it was fixed in any of the realism mods?

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Using the shotgun is all about reflex action, takes fast reflexes. Using the sniper rifle takes alot o dexterity mroe than reflex. Theyre two different worlds apart.

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its all about the mentallity of the guy behind the gun.

The sniper rifle requires a skilled user to be most effective, its not just about pulling a trigger. Its about positioning,awareness ,patience, timing, and at the very end, is pulling the trigger.

Look at it this way give a newbie a shotgun, then see how many kills he gets in his first 5 rounds, then give him a sniper rifle and see how many kills he gets.

The shottie is all about reflexes and hardly any aiming. But when it comes to the sniper rifle, some of u say that its easy, cuz all u gota do is pull the trigger and lead...

Anyone ever try hitting a running soldier in the head through a window after spotting him on the window beside the one u are going to shoot him?

Or when being outnumbered, u shoot one guy down, then u relocate to another spot, then u look back and u see soldiers snooping around the spot u were just in, then picking another one off & so on...

U give a newbie a sniper rifle, and the most he'll know how to do is just aim and pull the trigger.(which is pretty bad, considering u gotta find a good spot,not too exposed, and if in danger, to have a getaway route.

but if u give a newb a pumper, hell run around at close range blasting everything without much thought to it.Other than running around in no-mans land.

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Yeah, with rockets I will shoot a little behind the enemy to avoid suicide. And rockets are horrible at long range. Just try it from the Higgins boat to the pill box at Omaha Beach. Even if the rocket hits where you were aiming, the target has plenty of time to move. Rockets are strictly medium range.

With shotty, you need to move in close, which requires skills at hiding, locating the enemy, avoiding being shot, etc. But actually hitting them doesn't take much skill at aiming.

However, some people think sniper is so cool and requires so much skill because of movies like Enemy at the Gates. I don't think we will see a movie like 'Enemy at the Gates 2: Shotty Whores'. Well, sniper does take much skill in REAL LIFE, but not so much in MoH. There is no real hiding, camoflage, wind effects, gravity, etc. It does take some skill to aim, especially without scope. Up close, it will lose to any other weapon, including pistol.

It is wrong to say one or the other is superior or easier. For example: on Omaha Beach, will you do better with a sniper, or shotty? What about in the French Village? Sniper dominates shotty on Omaha, shotty dominates sniper in French Village. So it depends on the map.

It's just people with attitudes that think they are so great that put down any of the weapons. Each has its place and requires its own set of skills.

Ask yourself this: If you're such a good sniper, then how did the shotgunner get up so close to you and kill you?

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I guess my point in this whole thread was to give some respect to the shottie whores and stop treating snipers like gods. We shotgun weilders are the ones sticking our necks out by rushing through hallways to stop anyone from getting our snipers. We are the one's with the balls dancing around like mad-men risking sitting out for 10 minutes in spectator mode while the snipers hide in the shadows playing cat and mouse. Long live the shottie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nothing wrong with the boys in the ivory tower thinning the herd a bit so you shottie whores have an easier time dropping the rest.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by [spiewalk]:
Honestly, all weapons take skill to use, even using a rocket launcher needs skill so that you don't blow yourself up.

Whether or not people try and incorporate these skills is another question. So in conclusion you can't really say one weapon is harder to use then another.

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thats a very good point there. most people don't even know how to use the weapons.
and they get pissed when you kill em with a rifle when they are using the shotty.
plus another thing is newbies don't know the importance of picking up health ever chance you get, especially in the middle of a firefight.



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The hardest weapon to use well is probably the KAR98 rifle. Not the sniper rifle. Why? It has no scope, the same number of loaded bullets(5), and is only slightly faster reloaded. But I'll tell you, killing guys with the regular rifles is probably the most satisfying kill in the game. They're great middle of the road weapons. Not great at long range, and not great at short range. But if you're in a shootout with a guy across the street with a SMG, you'll probably win.

how can u even compare the two? Apples and oranges IMO. One ownz at close range and the other at long range. Vice versa they both suck. Just my opinion though...

shotgun is really easy weapon to use.
the developers have made the shotgun too powerful, they've put it to shoot like 20 or so pellets, when in fact it only shoots 8-12, depending.

so, you can just run and literally SPRAY with the shotgun, it is really easy weapon to use. only downside is that it doesn't work very effectivily from longer distances.

sniping on the other hand, is also quite easy WHEN YOU KNOW how to do it!
in the hands of a really skilled sniper, whining occurs very often. but the newbies cannot even snipe correctly, yet everyone can use shotgun effectivily.

sniping is a form of art in MOHAA, shotgun's just too powerful.
YET, I would like to see sniping become more difficult, because when you know how to do it, it is very powerful. but knowing how to snipe fast/accurately/and without letting people see yourself, is not obvious to everyone.

Oh, please! That's just the kind of superior sniper attitude I have mentioned. Sniper is superior on some maps, inferior on others. Same goes for shotgun. Shotgun doesn't take much skill to aim. The skill is in getting close to your target alive. Sniper does not take much skill to point and click your mouse. You don't have to worry about gravity or wind, etc. Get real!

THE STG 44 WILL FUCK UP ANY SNIPER!
damn snipers!

i try to use every weapon each time i play.
cept for the damn rocket launcher.
you have to play each type of weapon of otherwise if you use the mg too much you won't know how and where the snipers do their shit. you have to put yourself in your enemies shoes.

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lol

Anyone can use the shotgun effectively, can they?

You need to see some of the players I've watched in Spec mode when they use shotgun and aren't good players.

It's hilarious to watch them continually miss, even at close range. It's even more funny to watch them try to shoot at someone miles away.

I've been in close combat with a shotgun user a few times and they've taken the entire 5 shells to take me down, with no health packs (and that's assuming they actually managed to take me down at all).

Then again those self same players have probably gotten me in one shot 'cos I turned a corner and they were looking right at me.

Annoying, but so what?

It was my fault for getting that close and not being careful.

The shotgun does not bestow some God-given skill to the player. In close combat it's easier to kill faster with it. That's it.

You do have to aim it, 'cos if you don't you won't bloody hit at all and I've seen that happen on many occasions.

I've seen players who are very good at using the shotgun and they do tend to get lots of kills. So what if they don't use any other weapons? Jesus, it's a game and they enjoy using the shotgun.

No one is ever happy unless someone uses the same gun as them. How boring would the game be if that happened? Are you seriously suggesting that you'd enjoy a game where every gun had the same effectiveness at the same ranges and they all had the same spread?

Variety is the spice of life and that is no less relevant in a game.

The statement that anyone can be good with the shotgun is just plain retarded, sorry. You can't be that skillful yourself if your enemy's skill level is closer to yours just because they use the shotgun.

This whole disscusion weather shotgun or sniper rifle is better its up to what you think is good. It also depends on what map your playing. Take Amargen, im good there with the shootgun, but i stink with SnipeR. Omaha, Destroyd village is two good snipe stages. So you choose weapon due to the map. I prefer shootgun, but ill admit its easier with shootgun then sniper rifle. One thing that also helps is to use tactics, never stay at the same place, lure ppl into ambushes. The fishook is one good, if you have someone after you, run around a corner, then turn around and run back, most of the times they r not prepeard http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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It all depends on who has what gun. I great sniper vs a bad shotty or a great shooty vs a bad sniper the better man always wins.

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THE STG 44 WILL FUCK UP ANY SNIPER!
damn snipers!

i try to use every weapon each time i play.
cept for the damn rocket launcher.
you have to play each type of weapon of otherwise if you use the mg too much you won't know how and where the snipers do their shit. you have to put yourself in your enemies shoes.

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[/B][/I] EXACTLY, well stated.