Hick tries to trade another hick a (loaded) gun for an xbox
 

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/11273086.htm


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Wow. annoy:

Zee world is fooked.

[quote:92882]Xbox, a popular electronic game system, officials say.[/quote:92882]
happy: biggrin:

"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."



he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?

That's a fair swap.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":3b9f0]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."



he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:3b9f0]i actually agree with that.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":ea8fe]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."



he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:ea8fe]


See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":dac88]"Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended. He will remain on suspension pending a hearing that will be held within a week, Arensman said."



he did not take it to school, he should not be suspended. He should be in trouble for stealing the gun but not "because the gun could have been taken to school"
If I think about drinking and I think about driving should I be arrested for drunk driving?[/quote:dac88]
Not how zero-tolerance policies work though. At my old HS, if I were to get a minor for underage drinking, I would be disqualified from any HS sports nomatter where I was drinking or when.

[quote="Short Hand":3b05d]See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.[/quote:3b05d]

so your saying if I sit in my van in my driveway and get drunk I should be locked up?

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5b461][quote="Short Hand":5b461]See that is a improper comparision, The drunk was never "in the car, while the "gun was in THE backpack, and the child WAS bringing it to school, WHILE that drunk, has no intention of driving and is not even in the car. The moment the gun and when the drunk even sits in his car = the act was going to be commited. The difference is the drunk hasnt started his criminal journey, while the boy has already begun.[/quote:5b461]

so your saying if I sit in my van in my driveway and get drunk I should be locked up?[/quote:5b461]

Your in the process of driving and commiting the offence are you not ? Yes. unless you plan on telling a judge you enjoy getting wasted in your van. Which the judge would never buy. Just like saying this kid planned on only putting it in his back pack but never going to school with it. Duh.

there's too much assuming in that logic.

no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car. You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.

[quote="Short Hand":53a40]no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car. You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.[/quote:53a40]in a few states you're allowed to transport marijuana in your car as long as its intended for your personal use. Why wouldn't they assume that you're going to sell it to someone?

[quote=Coleman]in a few states you're allowed to transport marijuana in your car as long as its intended for your personal use. Why wouldn't they assume that you're going to sell it to someone?[/quote:cd354]

Probably would depend on the amount, if you don't need a juggernaut to haul it about then you'd be ok probably biggrin:

[quote:69fc3]During questioning, the boy told officers he never planned to take the gun to school, Sharon said.[/quote:69fc3]

[quote:69fc3]The trade apparently was to have taken place at Sharon's house.[/quote:69fc3]

Rather than continuing to store it in the garage, put it somewhere its easily accessed. Somewhere un-suspicious, somewhere that if anyone saw you with the item it would seem normal. Rather than the two boys going out to the garage and then coming back into the house, which might seem a bit odd, or stur up questions.

What i dont get is why did the mom call the teacher? Why didnt she call oh i dont know, THE PARENT of the other kid. I mean her son obviously is willing to talk about the matter, it wouldnt be hard to get "lil jimmys" phone number/address and deal with it yourself.

Aside from the "theft" of the gun, which could be delt with by the grandfather, IE hitting, i dont see the crime. Sounds like a case of "pre-crime" They saw the posibility of it happening, prevented it, and yet are still having some form of litigation over it.

Frankly school needs to stay the hell out of kids lives except for the 6 or so hours that there actually there. This shit about how everything a kid does now in life some how gets him punished by his school is bullshit. So what you got a MIP on a saturday night, what the fuck does that have to do with your school. NOTHING, whats the point of suspending you? Punishment? Thats what i thought the POLICE would take care of with there fines and assorted torturous legal techneques. The way i see it, and i'll dig into my deep understanding of highschoolers/jrhigh kids minds, is that if you can go drinking and it gets you suspended (IE get out of school free card) arnt you truly winning twice? One, you get to drink, two, you wont have to go to school for a few days because they wont "let" you. The only downside is the police activity involved. Most kids wouldnt go to school if they didnt have to, so saying there not allowed to, well shit, thats a god aweful "punishment".

[quote="Short Hand":cfb59]no thats the fucking law. No assuming within the logic. your drunk, your in a car.You plan on driving. You put a gun in your backpack, you plan on doing something with it.[/quote:cfb59]

You just assumed i was going to drive. Can you read my mind? Perhaps i just got home, im just sitting in my car cause im to drunk to stagger in. You didnt catch me on the road, nothing says you should be able to bust me sitting in my driveway. Burdon of proof would be a bitch on this one.

"well we stopped the subject while he was drinking in his car in his driveway... he was going to go somewhere i could feel it" "i could see the keys in his pocket with my X-ray vision."

Maybe im installing a new stereo and its being a bitch so im having a beer to calm myself down before ripping hte deck out of the car the hard way. Far to many variables to play this one.

[quote="Short Hand":1a95f]

Your in the process of driving and commiting the offence are you not ? Yes. unless you plan on telling a judge you enjoy getting wasted in your van. Which the judge would never buy. Just like saying this kid planned on only putting it in his back pack but never going to school with it. Duh.[/quote:1a95f]


I dont think you even believe yourself, IF I am sitting in my van, drunk, in my driveway what leads you to believe that I may drive? You say "Your in the process of driving and commiting the offence are you not ?" no I am not I am sitting, watching the clouds float by. Rethink your stance on this, if you come up with the same conclusion then drowned yourself.

The kid is guilty of theft, thats it

Most states laws (at least KS and MO) are written so if your drunk, inside your car and you have access to the keys to that car, you are drunk driving. I know a bunch of people that got it.

I love this part... "Everyone -- including the grandfather -- agreed Wednesday that the good thing is no one got hurt."

HAW HAW!!! Just to let the reader know that the grandfather isn't sitting at home saying, "Dagnabit! I was hoping someone would get hurt!!!"

Perhaps hes a sadistic sonofabitch.

It is the same in Canada.

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That would be pretty sad if you plan on sitting getting wasted in your car to chill there, get a fucking clue old man. You drink, your in your car, bam. You put a gun in your school napsack. bam. simple as that.

A friend of mine got a DUI for being a in a parked car passed out drunk ... just felt like filling you in that you don't have to be awake, have your keys, etc to get a DUI.

The boy had received another electronic-game toy and traded it away, his grandfather said.

Sharon, an aircraft tool builder, said his grandson is "very smart" and makes excellent grades.

Still, Sharon said, the boy doesn't yet fully understand the trouble he's in now.





anyone else pick up on the quotations arounf the words very smart?


lol

point proved.

I'm sure you could get away easy if you appealed that. You would where I'm from...

.....Regardless that's a tragic tale of sleep trickery, ktog.

....It's a quote. oOo:

[quote="Short Hand":7695d]That would be pretty sad if you plan on sitting getting wasted in your car to chill there,.[/quote:7695d]

The joys of married life! I've sat in my car with a buddy driinkin' a few brews, listening to the Braves, just to get out of the house. If I had a radio on my deck I might drink there instead, but I don't.

[quote=Colonel]The joys of married life! I've sat in my car with a buddy driinkin' a few brews, listening to the Braves, just to get out of the house. If I had a radio on my deck I might drink there instead, but I don't.[/quote:51672] happy:

Wow. I just noticed I passed 1000 posts. Holy moly, I think I have set the record for the longest it has taken anyone to reach that mark. Almost three years! LOL

all I am trying to say is the kid should be charged with the proper crimes. This will be on his record for life and a weapons charge from a school will come back to haunt him. It isnt fair to the kid, he is a theif not a Columbine type offender.

Short Hand is right...if you're in your car and have keys on you while drunk...even if you have no intent of driving and ar ejustt aking a nap or something, you can be aressted for that. The kid had a gun in his backpack...which shows some intention at least.

No guns = no suspension...kid and his grandfather deserve it.

[quote=Miscguy]You just assumed i was going to drive. Can you read my mind? Perhaps i just got home, im just sitting in my car cause im to drunk to stagger in. You didnt catch me on the road, nothing says you should be able to bust me sitting in my driveway. Burdon of proof would be a bitch on this one.

"well we stopped the subject while he was drinking in his car in his driveway... he was going to go somewhere i could feel it" "i could see the keys in his pocket with my X-ray vision."

Maybe im installing a new stereo and its being a bitch so im having a beer to calm myself down before ripping hte deck out of the car the hard way. Far to many variables to play this one.[/quote:5caf8]

one beer does not equal drunk.

[quote:eff21]The trade apparently was to have taken place at Sharon's house.[/quote:eff21]

Rather than continuing to store it in the garage, put it somewhere its easily accessed. Somewhere un-suspicious, somewhere that if anyone saw you with the item it would seem normal. Rather than the two boys going out to the garage and then coming back into the house, which might seem a bit odd, or stur up questions.

What i dont get is why did the mom call the teacher? Why didnt she call oh i dont know, THE PARENT of the other kid. I mean her son obviously is willing to talk about the matter, it wouldnt be hard to get "lil jimmys" phone number/address and deal with it yourself.

Aside from the "theft" of the gun, which could be delt with by the grandfather, IE hitting, i dont see the crime. Sounds like a case of "pre-crime" They saw the posibility of it happening, prevented it, and yet are still having some form of litigation over it.

Frankly school needs to stay the hell out of kids lives except for the 6 or so hours that there actually there. This shit about how everything a kid does now in life some how gets him punished by his school is bullshit. So what you got a MIP on a saturday night, what the fuck does that have to do with your school. NOTHING, whats the point of suspending you? Punishment? Thats what i thought the POLICE would take care of with there fines and assorted torturous legal techneques. The way i see it, and i'll dig into my deep understanding of highschoolers/jrhigh kids minds, is that if you can go drinking and it gets you suspended (IE get out of school free card) arnt you truly winning twice? One, you get to drink, two, you wont have to go to school for a few days because they wont "let" you. The only downside is the police activity involved. Most kids wouldnt go to school if they didnt have to, so saying there not allowed to, well shit, thats a god aweful "punishment".[/quote:eff21]


EXACTLY!!! beer:

Pyri <3 Shorthand oOo:

Of course u two always agree

Well Im agreeing with the law...as I know it exists.

Hell, solve everything and put the grandfather in jail.

the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.

So let me get this straight, If you all beleive that the child should not be charged, or the dui should not be issued for sitting in your car drunk ? then should some one get off on attempted murder ? It is the exact same idea... just not as severe.

[quote:86884]
the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:86884]

more like the victim of being old and senile. rolleyes: .

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":07650]the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:07650]

Stolen by his grandson and shit...if a family memeber who is not of legal age can get possession of a firearm, the caregiver/guardian is not providing the duty of care that comes with having kids.

[quote="Short Hand":5ff11]So let me get this straight, If you all beleive that the child should not be charged, or the dui should not be issued for sitting in your car drunk ? then should some one get off on attempted murder ? It is the exact same idea... just not as severe.

[quote:5ff11]
the grandfather did nothing wrong. He was a victim of a robbery. The gun and ammo were stored in different areas. The gun was stolen. The ammo was stolen. The only thing he didnt do was report the robbery.[/quote:5ff11]

more like the victim of being old and senile. rolleyes: .[/quote:5ff11]

no sir, if you are charged with attempted murder then you attempted to do it. You did something that almost took someones life. If you shoot someone and it wounds them you have tried to murder them. if you put a stolen gun in a backpack it is much different. being old and senile is not a crime. If I follow your logic I should be able to sue Dodge, my speedometer goes to 85mph and our speed limit is 70mph. Is Dodge making me speed?

I am not saying the kid should get off free, he is guilty of a crime, just punish him for the correct violation not conjecture

So, what if you draw up the plans to kill some one ? but you never pu your plan into action ? Or you planned on killing them ? (eg, you went out and bought all the items you needed to kill this person, but have not pulled off the act yet ?

[quote="Short Hand":b7ea3]So, what if you draw up the plans to kill some one ? but you never pu your plan into action ? Or you planned on killing them ? (eg, you went out and bought all the items you needed to kill this person, but have not pulled off the act yet ?[/quote:b7ea3]


sorry, its not a crime (unless your in highschool)