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Right on, Totenkopf. The bazooka has such a slow reload and is so useless in a close firefight, all one needs to do is evade the first shot to nab an easy kill. Once they fire off that first shot, you have a good window of time in which to teach your opponent a quick lesson in "don't you dare shoot at me."

'Course, used right the bazooka can help a team. Too bad few people use them to maximum effect.

the problem with rockets, for me, is when 3/4 of their team uses them, and when they run through corridors at point blank range firing when you turn the corner and theyre in your face. there should be some kind of penalty for suicide

While personally I'd like to see the 'zookas and 'fausts used for what they were made for (anti-tank), I know that there aren't any maps involving tanks and that people will use them if they're available regardless.

My only gripe is getting shot with one point blank or somehwat close to that and the guy who shot me wasn't killed by the splash damage himself.

I never had a problem dealing with a bazooka. To me, they are easy kills. People who complain about them usually have no skill. I,for one, hardly use rockets; too boring for me. Some maps, they can be useful. To each his own...

Um...there is a penalty for suicide. You lose a point. Whenever I see a guy with a bazooka, I just run up right to him. So if he shoots the thing, he might kill me, but he'll kill himself too.

I think anything used out of moderation can make the game less fun. When everyone is a sniper on Omaha beach it just kills the game. Either the axis are all snipers and the allies never make it up the beach, or the allies are all snipers and nobody ever comes up to try to complete the objective. Either way, it's less fun for everyone, except maybe one or two snipers that enjoy it somehow.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exorcist:
Hey, if you use a shotgun against me, I’ll back up and kill ya. If you use rocket launcher I’ll run like hell at ya and kill ya. If you use a machine gun, I’ll snipe ya.

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dont flatter yourself, if you found me (or any competent guy) with a shotgun in a building in southern france, you could try and run but would be on the floor sucking carpet in 1 second. and if i had a bazooka and im at full health, youll be dead, and ill have around 58 health.

battle tactics and adapting sounds nice and all but its not always realistic if the enemy is semi-competent. ill take note when people successfully run away from me when i have a shotgun, after being pointblank

He's just a crybaby. Don't listen to him. That's what makes the game fun. It's not like its hard to take out someone with a rocket reloding takes forever. I don't have a problem with rocket's. All I have to do is strafe and shoot and bam!! I win with out crying about it.

Simple solution: Limit Rockets to 1 per every 15 players on a team; 2-3 Snipers on a team; 2 Shotgunners per team.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shoegaze99:
Right on, Totenkopf. The bazooka has such a slow reload and is so useless in a close firefight, all one needs to do is evade the first shot to nab an easy kill. Once they fire off that first shot, you have a good window of time in which to teach your opponent a quick lesson in "don't you dare shoot at me."

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It's funny to watch them running and jumping around like a chicken with their head cut off while they reload as you close in for the frag.

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Right on, Totenkopf. The bazooka has such a slow reload and is so useless in a close firefight, all one needs to do is evade the first shot to nab an easy kill. Once they fire off that first shot, you have a good window of time in which to teach your opponent a quick lesson in "don't you dare shoot at me."

'Course, used right the bazooka can help a team. Too bad few people use them to maximum effect.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

useless in close firefight? every person i run into in close quarters that has a rocket launcher doesnt hesitate to fire off the rocket in my face killing us both.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dont shoot:
Actually, it's cause most people that use rockets use them like they are 9. I have no problem with rockets, but I do hate the idiots that use them at point blank like it's a shotgun. Those people are what make people hate rockets. Plus, the rocket does get bad at times. It's too damn frustrating, especially when the whole team uses them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i agree with that, when they use a rl like a shotgun, that shits me.
yeah they kill me but the also kill themselves in the process so why do it?
but as has been said, ou just have to adapt and overcome.
plus rocket spammers are easy prey.


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How about this......

We change the rockets so that each time they're shot, the equivalent of an artillary / mortar round (like on the Omaha beach) goes off behind them? A little "back splash" for their team mates to win them the MVP prize?

Of course, in this world of unintended consequences, if we made this change we might end up with a game full of rocket dweebs running backwards and shooting their "butt" mortars.

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are there any maps with an object to destroy something with the rocket launcher???

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Ok, I know this has been discussed here before, but I still don’t get it. I just finished a DM game where a poor guy kept complaining about my using the bazooka. Went something like, “ Mother Fucking rockets fucking cheaters!” every time I killed him. I don’t understand this reaction. He wouldn’t respond to my asking him about it. And he finally left the game the last time I killed him. Hell, I didn’t want that!

Are guy’s like this pissed off because they feel they can’t compete with alternate weapons? Does it kill the “realism” for them? What is it? To me it would become a boring game rather quickly if everyone were forced to use say, a Thompson or whatever. Personally I think those who complain along these lines have difficulty adapting to the situation. Hey, if you use a shotgun against me, I’ll back up and kill ya. If you use rocket launcher I’ll run like hell at ya and kill ya. If you use a machine gun, I’ll snipe ya. This is what makes the game fun for me. The variety of it.

Hey, I aint complainin’, I just don’t wanna kill the fun for someone else while still having fun myself, playing the way I like. And I don’t cheat, that kills it for me.

I’m open to some constructive criticizing here, but I’ll just ignore any flame wars.

Steve . . .

I think to some people it just seems like a cheap kill, like to kill someone with a rocket launcher takes no "skill," and that it's an overall cheap weapon. I don't agree with that however. As long as rocket launchers and shotguns are in there, I think people just have to deal with it, whether they like em or not.

Just my 2 cents.

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The most simple answer is that some people are whiners. To imply that somebody utilizing one of the basic weapons of the game is a "cheater" indicates is the height of whining.

Why do people react that way regarding the three most complained about weapons, the sniper rifle, shotgun and bazooka? Probably because all three weapons, when used in their element, are tough to counter. The person being killed likely didn't feel as if they had a chance, and that's frustrating.

Let's face it, go toe to toe with a shotgun wielding foe at close range and you're dead. Run through an open field and when the sniper tags you, you won't know what hit you. Get nailed by a bazooka round and you'll have little chance to bounce back and escape.

And that's simply part of the game.

Some people are unwilling, or unable, to alter their tactics to combat these weapons. Doing so it easy enough - all three have heavy, heavy weaknesses - but the weapon whiners want others to conform to *their* desired style of play rather than deal with those obstacles the developers put in place.

Hey, I admit it, when I get sniped it ticks me off. It ticks me off because I usually don't know where it came from. It ticks me off because there is little you can do to counter being sniped. There is no escape or fleeing; you're dead. But you know what? That's the game. I get sniped, I figure out how to get the sniper.

I guess some gamers want to feel like they have a fighting chance against these weapons, and while they *do*, they either don't or won't see it. Better to complain about how they got sniped four times in five minutes than to take their game to the sniper, I suppose.

The bazooka attitude is roughly the same. A blast takes you out on splash damage, people get snippy and upset, the whining commences.

Eh. Whatever.

I just think people have to ADAPT to what weapon is being used, don't you guys agree? Plus theres more than 2 people in the game.

Actually, it's cause most people that use rockets use them like they are 9. I have no problem with rockets, but I do hate the idiots that use them at point blank like it's a shotgun. Those people are what make people hate rockets. Plus, the rocket does get bad at times. It's too damn frustrating, especially when the whole team uses them.

I have no problem with the shotgun it just seams to me like the bazooka and panzershreck are not anti-personel weapons so using them takes away from the realism. Another thing about them is that it really takes no skill since if someone is taking cover behind somethig, you just fire the weapon at something behind them and their killed from the explosion.

So, retrac2w, you're saying because there is a legitimate tactical use for bazookas, such as using them to counter defensive cover, they're bad weapons? Interesting.

(Note the difference between their, there and they're)

They have a use, and a place, in the game. Over use and abuse is a different matter, but that's clearly not what you're talking about.

The "realism" argument has been made many times before, and is no more valid now that you make compared to those who came before you. In the context of this game, it's not very valid.

The "it takes no skill" argument gets repeated often, too, and frankly that's not a line of thinking that is worth refuting.

Each of the game's weapons have inherent advantages and disadvantages, and each has a time and place when they are appropriate on the battlefield. A good player will recognize this, understand their flaws and stregths, and utilize them wisely for the benefit of their team. A good player will also know how to counter each of the game's weapons. Therein lies the challenge.

Of course, none of this speaks to inconsiderate players and those without half-a-brain. But no amount of tinkering with the game mechanics will stop people like that from ruining the game.

Dude w/ Bazooka = Easy Kill...


Me likes them!

Seems to me that if the weapon was put in the game and is not likely to be taken out of the game, just put up with it.

Whining about it isn't going to change anything. Players who like to use the rocket launcher aren't likely to change their ways on account of what other players think. Especially if they get lots of kills.




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Seems to me that if the weapon was put in the game and is not likely to be taken out of the game, just put up with it.

Whining about it isn't going to change anything. Players who like to use the rocket launcher aren't likely to change their ways on account of what other players think. Especially if they get lots of kills.


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jimbob my friend you have a point.
its there, and its gonna be used, we have to get over it and concentrate on shooting them in the back!


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I just say,

everyone whos complaining about
Rocket launchers, Sniper rifles
and shotguns are loosers,

except the ones that are complaining
about realism...

When they leave a game because
of beeing fed up that a stupid
guy with a endless ammo cheat
and a bazooka running around and killing everybody I can understand that very good

know what i mean...

But when theres a good game running
and soomeone gets shot by a shotgun
and begins to insult and complain, this one
is a fool adn a looser...This guys
know there are shotguns and bazookas in the game and when they dont want them to be used,
search for a clan and play some "realistic"
matches..

know what i mean??

Phil

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[This message has been edited by Phil17 (edited February 10, 2002).]

The reason people complain about sniper, shotty, and zook, is because the other weapons are underpowered. If the mg, smg, and rifle would kill with one shot like the 3 "cheap" weapons, then noone would complain about those 3. Realism mod takes care of that.

You have to remember that most people are either stupid, insane, or selfish. Many are a combination of 2 or more of the above.

The people that complain about those 3 weapons are probably stupid AND selfish. They don't wanna get killed but they can't figure out how to counter the weapon, so they start a fight.

The chronic team killers are selfish and insane.

The ones who repeatedly blow themselves up with grenades are stupid and insane.

Get how it works now?