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Sensenbrenner Statement on Senate's Passage of REAL ID Legislation; Measure Now Goes to Bush for His Signature

Distribution Source : U.S. Newswire

Date : Tuesday - May 10, 2005

To: National Desk

Contact: Jeff Lungren or Terry Shawn, 202-225-2492, both of the Committee on the Judiciary; Web: http://judiciary.house.gov/

WASHINGTON, May 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.), the author of the REAL ID Act (H.R. 418), issued the following statement following today's Senate passage of the supplemental appropriations conference report that included the REAL ID Act:

"The REAL ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks. By targeting terrorist travel, the REAL ID will assist in our War on Terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders.

"I am grateful for the White House's strong support of this border security legislation. In addition, Senators Frist, McConnell, Santorum, Specter, Kyl, Sessions, Brownback, DeWine, and Cornyn were among those very helpful in shepherding this legislation through the Senate and I wish to thank them."[/quote:952eb]
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OMG They stole my fucking idea. Bastards. I bet I get NO credit for this what-so-ever.

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So how does this stop terrorism?

No one would be able to get into the states from elsewhere because they wouldn't have a card. And if they did, how would they leave?

I guess i'm one of those privacy freaks.

i dont see it either. its just a way to identify a person, not identify a terrorist.

Basically, you would only need one if you worked or lived in the states, like a driver's licence. Having one would provide you the benifits of being a native citizen. I'm sure that in order to visit you would not be required citizenship, lol.

As far as terrorists are concerned, it target sleeper-cells and inbedded terrorists mostly, but it also frees up the need to screen EVERYONE that gets on a plane cause natives have ID cards. That allows security personel to focus much more on those who do not... does that make sence?

I didn't read everything, and the article is somewhat vauge....

Seems to me all it would do is create a false sense of security and allow the government to track peoples activities more closely. Not to mention create more of a hassle for immigrants trying to come into the states legally.

If a terrorist wants to attack America, I don't see a plastic card stopping them. Whats to stop them from getting on a plane in another country and hijacking it? And if a terrorist wanted to detonate a bomb in the states, they don't really need a card to do so.

Also, the article is vague because almost no one is reporting on it. You probably won't see this on the 6 O'clock news. All the sites reporting it are independent media outlets.

Big Brother is watching.

it is a false sense of security. I think there are some states who disagree with this new law.

[quote="Short Hand":372c9]Big Brother is watching.[/quote:372c9]

War is Peace
Slavery is Freedom
Ignorance is Strength

This is just to create a false sense of security so the Repubs can say they did something to protect America when Bill Frist runs for president.

I believe a state doesn't have to issue the card, but then it would be really tough for people to go anywhere, if airports and trains and stuff need that card to travel. So really, individual states don't have a choice.

well the states have to issue the cards by 2008. Your right about it being difficult to go anywhere without one. But then again, it seems like if you didnt get one, then you would have free sanction in your state-where you can go almost unnoticed. Do you think the Police will do random checks to make sure IDs are valid and are available? To me it just raises more problems.

It's possible, and I wouldn't doubt it.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5262068/
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/ ... 3-5554.pdf

I still believe police have to have a reasonable suspicion to ask for your ID though.

I dont like it

I don't see the point, but I also live in Canada where we actually have private lives.

I don't know about that.

Don't you remember the debate about a National ID card for the past 2 years?

Anyway, it won't happen in Canada right now, but it could in the future.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 31007.html

hopefully it doedn't...I ahve enough IDs already.

Theres another thing, whos gonna pay for this shit? Fuck me if im gonna have to go to the DMV and wait in line and have to shell out $50 for another card. My drivers license is enough for me. I hate all this false sense of security shit. ID cards dont do anything except for identify the person who has it. How am I safer if everyone has a card? If you wanna keep people from getting explosives on an airplane, screen them and check the luggage. You can get fake IDs and fake money now, so its just a matter of time before these cards get sold on the black market.

George W. Bush is insecure about his penis size.

ID cards? this reminds me of south africa many years ago

i honestly dont really care, just as long as it isnt an inconvience. it might be though, then ill be pissed.

NO

Valid point Mad. The state has to pay for the ID, so that will likley come out of your pocket.

[quote:b122b]Yet despite widespread opposition to the bill, it passed through the House last week and is expected to easily pass through the Senate on Tuesday.

The legislation is raising questions not only about privacy and costs but about the ways in which critical legislation gets passed in Congress.

That's because lawmakers slipped the bill into a larger piece of legislation -- an $82 billion spending bill -- that authorizes funds for the Iraq war and tsunami relief, among other things, and is considered a must-pass piece of legislation. [/quote:b122b]

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,184 ... story_top5

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,184 ... _tophead_1

police state ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hellfire:

you are God, I bow to you

ID cards get introduced > People lose their cards > People get their cards stolen > Government and media come up with a "more secure solution" > Government and mainstream media ramp up the propaganda to brainwash the masses into accepting microchips under the skin > Jesus returns and kills everyone that's been chipped.

The End.

bush being the conservative that he claims to be, probably won't sign it. But we can't put any stock into that so anything could happen.

I still don't understand the advantages for the average citizen of having a card other than just having another nice card to carry around in your wallet. To me it just looks like we're giving more power to the government than they deserve.

Are you kidding? The Bush administration are the ones who want the card. Thats why it was tucked underneat the Iraq and Tsunami relief bill. The senate can't say no to that, so it passes.

And I believe he's already signed the bill.

My version is better, because I have the funding taken care of, lol.
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Anyway, here is way I look at it....

This is not meant to be some super solution to all terrorism. To believe so is ignorance. So don't get the impression that this is supposed to be something it is not.

Now, a national ID card would serve the defence of the country and the Government like thus...
With each citizen card holder using thier card for everyday tasks like driving priviliges, plane boarding, oversees travel, bank accounts, ect. this gives the the DHS (Dept. Homeland Security) and local law enforcement the abillity to not only screen for know terrorists but also to identify missing persons, track internal espionage, and as an example identify cessna piolets that enter restricted airspace, lol.

The biggest worry an adverage citizen would have would be the "Big Brother" syndrome, and while I see no need for alarm personally... yeah I'm a bit of a commie, it would certainly cause some Americans to feel that thier privacy has been violated.

Now, some one said that a terrorist doesn't need an ID to crash a plane. Agreed, and this is not an attempt to stop that, it is an attempt to stop training the bastards to fly at Air schools in Florida. It is not an attempt to stop terrorism with a broad stroke, it is simply an attempt to stop terrorists from hiding in plain sight, as the article put it.

As we discussed earlier, there are hundreds of thousands of people in this country working today who are not legal. And our government is taking little if any inititive to track these people. This coupled with a more refined system of border control may help to stop or at least slow the progression of illegal imegration.

I don't like Bush anymore than the next guy, but I do like the idea of a more controled populous. I see things a little different, and I won't argue with anyone who thinks this is American Blasphamy at its best. I do see your perspective too.

Sorry for the shitty spelling, long day, lol.

what happens when they realize the cards do not work right? then what next? those microchips that they are testing? Why has Montanna said they will absolutely not mandate these national IDs? I think we are getting ready to see some interesting events.

I dont look for black helicopters or have a foil hat but I dont like the "big brother" aspect of it