Invade Syria?
 

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[quote:4a7c1]U.S. military and Bush administration civilian officials confirmed last week that U.S. forces have invaded Syria and engaged in combat with Syrian forcess

An unknown number of Syrians are acknowledged to have been killed; the number of Americans -- if any -- who have died in Syria so far has not yet been revealed by the U.S. sources, who by the way insist on remaining faceless and nameless.[/quote:4a7c1]

why haven't I heard this from any other source?...

and it says, "U.S. forces have started fighting Syrians at Iraq's border". That can go either way...does it mean that they're in Iraq and have fought syrians? or does it mean they're in Syria by the Iraqi boarder?

so syria invaded occupied iraq?

No. The US says Syrian fighters are coming over the border to fight in Iraq, so the US has said that it might go into Syria to try to stop this from happening.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051019/ap_ ... pe/us_iraq

[quote:d6ed1]Pushed by senators from both parties to define the limits of U.S. involvement in Iraq and the Middle East, Rice also declined to rule out the use of military force in
Iran or
Syria, although she said the administration prefers diplomacy.[/quote:d6ed1]


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/15/polit ... yt&emc=rss

[quote:d6ed1]One of Mr. Bush's most senior aides, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject, said that so far American military forces in Iraq had moved right up to the border to cut off the entry of insurgents, but he insisted that they had refrained from going over it.

But other officials, who say they got their information in the field or by talking to Special Operations commanders, say that as American efforts to cut off the flow of fighters have intensified, the operations have spilled over the border - sometimes by accident, sometimes by design. [/quote:d6ed1]

It's can't be confirmed that US forces are actually inside Syria, but the possibility is there.

Well, i have this whole theory about Syria but it's to long to get into at the present moment. What i will say is this. Where do you think most of the "insurgents" came from??

......and where do you think Iraq moved their weapons to after weeks and weeks of warnings of an invasion??

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

The weapons inspectors were in Iraq before the invasion. They said he had no weapons.

I believe NOTHING from the NY Times

[quote:8a5e3] ... the catalyst most often cited [in interrogations] is Abu Ghraib, though images from Guantánamo Bay also feed into the pathology."[/quote:8a5e3]Call me a fascist pig or whatever you want. But I still think that releasing that information to the general public was a terrible idea. It should have kept secret and dealt with the people that it affected.

Thats all nice and dandy but it's something i don't believe. Saddam needed to be ousted for many reasons...including nuclear development.

Is he out of his fucking mind?

He's out of his mind by asking the UN to do their job?

FFs....Just go and invade the whole middle east now and get it over with. rolleyes:

As long as my gas prices go down. Rapin me mad:

It's the wrong time in anycase.

"ok...we'll let this one slide this time. Just this once."

--UN

Do you really think any country wants to get involved in the Middle East with all the shit going on in Iraq? The US is in no position at all to make demands from the UN to do something about Syria, and to be frank I don't think the US Military can handle being in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan all at the same time while this country has a mounting deficit and political scandal.

But what the fuck is the point of the UN if nothing is ever done?! No one has ever been able to answer that question. It's just annoying that all the UN does is send TPS reports to the UN Reps from Syria and Pakistan. Nothing is ever taken seriously.

I wont disagree, the UN has become far to bureaucratic to be of any use. Things need to change.

beer:

What justification is there for taking any action against Syria at this point?

The UN is irrevelant. The US will do what it wants when it wants. We have already found this out as this was the case with Iraq.

In addition, the UN doesn't uphold human values or anything of the kind. The UN and its member nations approved an illegal war in Afghanistan. The Un and countries including Canada, Britain, Russia France and everyone else are just as guilty as the US.

Oh, you're probably asking, how is the war in Afghanistan Illegal?

Well, for one, it was concieved before the 9/11 attacks happened. The US informed many countries in the Summer of 2001 that they may be attacking Afghanistan.

http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatu ... ctg=policy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

http://www.janes.com/security/internati ... _1_n.shtml

This right off the bat illegitimizes the war.

that might be true ninty , but the taliban didnt help matters by not turning over OBL , and please dont say that the us didnt give them any time to think about turning him over , this whole operation in afghanistan might been avoided if the taliban had gave up OBL.

But the Taliban wern't "harbouring" him. OBL wasn't living in a Taliban house, he was just "in" Afghanistan, which the Taliban controlled. If they don't know where he is, how can they turn him over.

OBL is a US asset. He is never meant to be captured or killed. If his percieved to be alive, Al Queda stays alive and the war on terror stays alive.

the taliban invited OBL to live in afghanistan , also obl married mullah omar sister , so i think the taliban pretty much knew where obl was located. i dont think OBL will ever be captured his security is too good and he doesnt use modern tech. devices

do you have a source that the Taliban Invited OBL to live in Afghanistan? I haven't heard of this.

Dear OBL

Please come live in cave




signed

taliban

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":3dd29]Dear OBL

Please come live in cave




signed

taliban[/quote:3dd29]

dance:

And some of you wonder why your not taken seriously...

Well it makes sense to me that troops would be in Syria. If insurgents are coming into Iraq and being supplied and trained from Syria, then that opens up a new theatre in this war. You cant limit fighting to strictly one area, we learned that mistake from Vietnam. But the fact that we are in this war to begin with is retarded. We wouldnt have to worry about insurgents if we hadnt invaded in the first place. Its a necessary battlefield operation in an unecessary war.

1- http://www.infoplease.com/spot/osamabinladen.html

"The Taliban, the former rulers of Afghanistan, arose from the religious schools set up during the mujahideen's war against the Soviet invasion. After the Soviet army withdrew in 1989, fighting erupted among mujahideen factions. In response to the chaos, the fundamentalist Taliban was formed and within two years it captured most of the country. The Tali ave bin Laden sanctuary in 1996.


2- http://www.terrorismfiles.org/individua ... laden.html

"Bin Laden, an immensely wealthy and private man, has been granted a safe haven by Afghanistan's ruling Taleban movement. "

sanctuary - a place of refuge and protection

invade Syria with what army?

Interesting, but still doesn't mean they knew where he was. They granted him scantuary in 96. It's not like OBL blew up NY and then the Taliban said, "hey, hide in this cave!" He was already there. It's a moot point I guess.

[quote="TGB!":7fdcf][quote:7fdcf]The UN and its member nations approved an illegal war in Afghanistan.[/quote:7fdcf]

The war that removed an terrorist orginazation from power that was aiding and abetting another terrorist organization that attacked the United States - nope. . .no justification there.[/quote:7fdcf]

Just because the war removed a "terrorist organization" does not automatically make it legal.

[quote:7fdcf][quote:7fdcf]This right off the bat illegitimizes the war.[/quote:7fdcf]

That is RIDICULOUS logic. Because we make it known that "oh my gosh" we may have to take action against a country that is sponsoring terrorism (something that has been known since Omar came into power) - before they do something ELSE. . .please. [/quote:7fdcf]

The basis for war in Afghanistan was planes flying into NY. I'm sure that if it was public knowledge that the war was planned before the attacks happened, you'd have some people asking more questions about the legitamicy of the war.

[quote:7fdcf][quote:7fdcf]He was already there.[/quote:7fdcf]

He came into the country under the invitation of men who would later be heads of state. Period. End of story. During this time US Embassies, the US Cole and the WTC were bombed. You dont conduct terrorist activities from a country with ease WITHOUT having a relationship with the people in power. [/quote:7fdcf] oOo: Afghanistan is not like a western country. If a terrorist group is in Candada or the US, or any European country, the police go after them. In Afghanistan, you may have noticed, they don't really have any police. Their country is a desolate wasteland filled with poor people and opium. I don't think the country really had or has the resources to carry out anti terrorist operations.


[quote:7fdcf]Ninty for all your waxing about the "ills" in this administration - your information seems woefully inadequate and intentional limited.[/quote:7fdcf] I suppose I could say the same for you.

You know you're extremly frustrating to talk to?

The US was not attacked by the Taliban or Afghanistan. In addition, there were plans to invade Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks. All 9/11 did was provide justification for this action. Was it just a coincidence?

You think it's alright to invade countries to dispose of terrorist leaders and install puppet governments whether or not that country did anything to you. I do not. It's a fundamental question. If we don't agree on that part, then we won't agree on anything, and this is the result.

My suggestion is that Afghanistan would have been invaded whether or not 9/11 happened. Iraq would have been invaded whether or not 9/11 happened. Of course, the American people would never have stood for these wars without a catylist. This is why 9/11 did happen.

The US didn't go into afghanistan to get OBL. The US didn't go into Iraq to bring freedom to Iraq.