U.S. troops 'burnt Taliban bodies'
 

ed: stupid:

http://smh.com.au/news/world/film-rolls ... 56154.html

[quote:9a6d7]US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt the bodies of dead Taliban and taunted their opponents about the corpses, in an act deeply offensive to Muslims and in breach of the Geneva conventions.[/quote:9a6d7]

[quote:9a6d7]US soldiers said they burnt the bodies for hygiene reasons but two reporters, Stephen Dupont and John Martinkus, said the explanation was unbelievable, given they were in an isolated area.[/quote:9a6d7]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html

[quote:9a6d7]In a statement issued Thursday from the Afghan capital Kabul, U.S. Maj. Gen. Jason Kamiya, Combined Joint Task Force-76 Commander, said: "This command takes all allegations of misconduct or inappropriate behavior seriously and has directed an investigation into circumstances surrounding this allegation.

"This command does not condone the mistreatment of enemy combatants or the desecration of their religious and cultural beliefs," he said.

"This alleged action is repugnant to our common values, is contrary to our command's approved tactical operating procedures, and is not sanctioned by this command.

"Our efforts to thoroughly investigate this allegation are a reflection of our commitment to the government of Afghanistan and the Afghan people."

If the allegations are substantiated, Kamiya said, "the appropriate course of action ... and corrective action will be taken."[/quote:9a6d7]

you gotta stay warm somehow

Real classy. rolleyes:

[img]http://home.europa.com/%7Emaevsec/magpie/burning_taliban3_small.jpg[/img]

[quote:c29da]The Australian news program Dateline has aired video of US soldiers burning the bodies of Taliban dead, with the bodies facing Mecca. Such an action is deeply offensive to Muslims, who believe that a body must be buried within 24 hours of death.[/quote:c29da]

What a disgrace.

ed: annoy:

I highly doubt its true but then again if its in the news it MUST be

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":95bf5]I highly doubt its true but then again if its in the news it MUST be[/quote:95bf5]

Just like those two British SAS members wern't trying to detonate a car bomb in Iraq, and the two Americans caught doing the same thing only a couple weeks ago, right?

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":ac676]I highly doubt its true [/quote:ac676]

Who gives a fuck....it's war.

Thats one thing i could never really understand.....rules of war. You're out there to win...fuck the rules! American journalism tries to make us out to be some kind of saviour......it's all bullshit. Give me weapons and set me free in Iraq and i'll do whatever it takes to win and come home alive. Rules? fuck you...i'm in it to win no matter what. Same applies to street fighting. Don't expect me not to gouge out your eye balls and kick you in the throat!

Warning Graphic:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/insomn ... 3#t4292579

This discussion makes me long for the good old days before the country became emasculated.

[drifts into reminiscent haze]


....."Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin", he yelled, "I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"

"When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!"

"I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"

"From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.

There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana." No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!"

[/wakes up and realizes we can't say "We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket" anymore without hurting somebody's feelings]

When did Afgahnistan/Iraq take over a whole continent? I must of missed that.

Whether or not you support either war, you can't compare WW2 to either war. That's just fucking retarded.
Makes me sick when people make the comparison.

Actually I was makng the comparison to our attitudes towards what it takes to win a war, and a comparison, to what I preceive anyway, is a lack of backbone in today's society. In my opinion we have become a country that suffers from ADD (one of the excuses we like to use with our youth). We can't finish anything that we start. In addition, we have become a country so concerned about being politically correct that we don't have the balls to do what it takes to win.

Most of the guys in this forum laughed at a story that was posted a while back about Gen Pershing killing Muslim terrorists and burying them with pig entrails (which never happened, btw). If this recent story really happened, why is it any different? Is it because we have pictures to relate to? Or maybe we just don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. You can argue about Iraq being an unjust war all you want. This happened in Afghanistan. I'm pretty sure that most of the guys in this forum agreed we had the right to go after Bin Laden and his bunch, who were in Afghanistan.

BTW - getting my head chopped off is against my religion. Do you think the terrorists are going to respect that belief when they capture me?

rock:

I agree. Do what it takes to win. Just like the guys in Iraq... car bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, fuck the rules!

...Just as long as they don't burn the bodies of the dead, it's all good.

Yeah if by winning you mean in sensing the people your trying to win over and endangering soldiers in those cities, I don't call that winning.

Btw, according to most of you, it be a ok if they crucified an American soldier upside down, because I mean fuck rules and decency...it's war.

I never said Afgahnistan was unjust. I said it was an ill comparison...Which it is.

It's kinda funny the way you say your country has no backbone and doesn't finish what it starts. I'd agree with the second part. What's funny is that it's people like you who encourage and support your country to take on another task like Iraq when it hasn't even finished with it's other obligations. Then you go ahead and say that. Doesn't make sense.

You'd be suprised of the importance of Political Correctness when you're dealing with foreign policy. It works the same way as mass-media. The attitude of your government reflects the attitude of the people. With regards to Iraq, Forcing war down peoples throat makes you generally disliked, whether or not it's a 'just' action deep down inside. On the surface people see an aggresive action, with no tact, and a 'Fuck You' attitude. That simply breeds hatred, which in turn makes war....and then you've just got more and more obligations as the years go on.
IMO, people like you are too strung up about being Politically Correct that you seperate yourselves so far from it that you forget where it IS important and relevant.

As for hurting the "enemies" feelings. Yeah, maybe you're right - It is war, fuck their feelings. Just don't bitch when they send another bunch of pissed off suicide bombers to blow up something else in your country.

Times have changed. This is the era of the terrorist. That's why comparing any of this too WW2 is just silly.

As i said, I wasn't comparing wars but the attitude about winning them. What do you think we would do to one of our Generals today if he said the stuff that Patton said? I doubt he would be in his job very long.

it makes sense when you believe, like I do, that they are the same conflict, just different fronts.

Funny how they hated us enough to bomb us before we took on Iraq, before we took on Afghanistan, even before we fought WWII. Nothing we do now can possibly make them hate us any more. I would hope that we would always conduct ourselves by a standard that is higher than that of the scum that we are fighting, that's why I doubt the report that started this thread is 100% accurate, But I also think that as a country we have a growing faction that will oppose anything that we do (even if we were fighting Hitler again) and will always find fault and take pleasure in pointing the finger of blame at our boys when something like this comes out.

Those fucks are over there decapitating innocent people and flying planes loaded with innocent civillians into our buildings and incinerating them.

serves them right. eye for an eye, Allah ackbar mothafugga

A somewhat good point. ed:

Here's another article:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 39,00.html

the afghani people dont like it when pakis come over and create trouble in afghanistan, a majority of the taliban were paki's.

(Quote " Earlier, Lt. Eric Nelson, the leader of B Company, I-508 platoon leader had sent word down to Gonbaz asking the villagers to pick up the bodies and bury them according to Muslim ritual. But the villagers refused — probably because the dead fighters weren't locals but Pakistanis, surmised one U.S. army officer. " )

fuck them, fuck the taliban, we need to elect a dead president, and cut off every terrorists head on live TV, and americans must love it

This is why i don't like politics. It always causes rifts amoungst the closest of friends (and don't you fuckers believe i love ya's.....it's a fuckin' example)

Anywho, i'm in agreement with Colonel (like THATS a suprise). This lil' "burning of the bodies" is psychological warfare. The terrorists did it with 9/11, the burning of the bodies on the bridge, the dragging of the American soldier through Afghanistan, the showing of American soldiers who were shot in the head, and the countless live beheadings. While it may be "against" the rules, it's psychological warfare none the less. And, for the theory that we may get the terrorists more mad at us, who gives a flying fuck. We're at war and i can't get any more mad or feel any more hatred for them after what they did to us on that fateful September day in my home city. Fuck them, fuck their cause, fuck their feelings, and fuck the camel they rode in on.

I don't think this war being "different" has anything to do with it. The attitudes in this country about winning anything have changed. Heck, in some schools we don't even give grades anymore because it would be bad for one kid to realize he wasn't has smart as the next kid. In a soccer league I coached in, they wouldn't keep score because they didn't want the little fellas to bad if they lost. The wussification of the country has nothing to do with this war.

I understand your thinking about the lack of political correctness breeding more terrorists. I just don't agree with it. I think the opposite is true because what you are proposing is appeasement and I think that's what got us here to start with. There are alot of experts that think Bin Laden was emboldened to attack the Trade Centers, the Pentagon and the White House because he had gotten off so easy in the past. He didn't expect us to actually come after him even if he attacked us so boldly. The fact of the matter is that we have been pouring aid into these countries, bending over backwards to appease them and basically letting them get away with their hate-filled terrorism for so many years that they figured they could take it to the next level. So, political correctness, in my opinion, caused the problem. It is not the solution.

Neither is the 'screw you' attitude. My point is it is making the situation worse. There will always be terrorism, you can't control that. What you can control is the severity of the situation. You have two options, some terrorists....Or LOTS of terrorists.

The way it's heading now is the second option.

...Basically what you're telling me is because there is no solution, the only option is to make the situation worse, just so you can show them 'who's boss.' The reality is, it's not showing them who's boss.

It's exactly like a hornet's nest. You get stung a couple of times, so you decide the best way to deal with it, is to get closer to it and fuck with it some more.

I'm not saying you should give a shit about them or their feelings, I'm saying in order to keep your country safe and your families safer, the best option is to just avoid them. There is a reason why they're pissed at the U.S and not at other countries. It's not as if you guys hadn't done something to piss them off.

It sounds bad, but the reality is appeasement is the safest option.

That's what the French said about the Germans when Hilter invaded Poland. It's also what many Americans said (and did) during the eight years prior to 9-11. As long as the US is friendly with Israel nothing we do will be appease them enough.


I would say that giving the terrorists the sense of security that allows them to think they can fly a couple of planes into the World Trade Center is not controlling the situation but adding to the severity of it.

You're right. Only the hornets nest was stired up a couple of thousand years ago and we have the choice now of standing here and being stung repeatedly or spraying the hive with the wasp spray we are holding.


Again, history proves that that statement is not accurate. Even if we did completely pull out of every muslim country in the world they would continue their terrorist activities.

Actually they have carried out terrorist activities in a large number of countries. (both before and after 9-11) They pretty much hate anybody that does not follow whatever muslim sect they belong to.

Lets dig up gravesites, piss on the bodies and bury them upside down.

Not going to happen, I guess you and Spain can do all the appeasing you want, just remember that we told you that is a bad idea, when the terrorists come to chop off your infidel head.

If you put yourself on the same level as the "evil" you are fighting... what then ? Does that not make you a terrorist as well on a much larger scale ?

MUCH of this now "struggle" with terrorism is based off of the fact that you should have the moral high ground. Without it... Everything is a undeniable falsehood.

The Geneva convention is there for a reason, the USA & Afghanistan just need to sign it.

They were terrorists. fuck them, burn them.

[quote="newt.":94786]They were terrorists. fuck them, burn them.[/quote:94786] eek:

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":26085]The Geneva convention is there for a reason, the USA & Afghanistan just need to sign it.[/quote:26085]




that was done loooooong ago

[url="http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm"]http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm[/url]

those that signed


http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.ns ... %20ENG.pdf

I must say I disagree. Its one thing to do everything to come out on top in a combat situation. Its another to disgrace/dishonor your enemies by doing something like that. What many soldiers fail to realize, is that those people are people just like us. Some of teh soldiers that are burning that mans body couldve been born in Afganistan, raised to hate the US, and then when the US invaded, they would join the holy war against America. And it would be their bodies that would now be dishonored. Again, I agree with you about winning a war, I even have a relevant quote in my sig "There is no point in having a war unless one can end it in victory." However, in doing wat these soldiers are doing, they are showing utter contempt for their defeated opponents. Men who gave their lives fighting for a cause they deemed worthy of dieing for. Is that not honorable? Do those men not deserve to be buried normally? When Somalis ravaged bodies of American pilots during Operation Gothic Serpent, Americans were outraged. I sure was. And yet, from what you are saying, its just war, get over it....

LOL, god your full of shit....Me and my country didn't do shit to any Arabs and therefore aren't a target. ...Because of my countries foreign policy I have absolutely ZERO worries about my country being targeted by islamic fundamentalists. It just wouldn't happen. As for spain - Since they pulled their troops out, what has happened to them? Nothing.

These terrorists that are beheading "infidels" have on a many occasions released hostages whose countries were not affiliated with your coalition.

So don't talk to me about terrorists coming to "chop off my infidel head." Seems like YOU have been brainwashed into thinking these kinds of people have no real agenda and are just killing white people willy-nilly.