French Riots
 

wtf is going on in france? I keep hearing about riots but why are people rioting?

thats it? thats fucking stupid as hell.

That was the spark that lit the fuse, Jimmy. there has been building racial and religious tension in France for some time now.

Having said that, I'm moving this to Politics/History.

It's the disaffected youth becoming fed-up with authority.

Basically years ago France invited a bunch of North Africans (Algerians etc) into the country and gave them project-like towns just outside of the bigger cities to live in - At the time this was better than anything these people were currently living in, so they moved in voluntarily.
Over the years, the French government started to neglect these areas, and just recently cut spending on these ghettos in education and health etc, and when you do that, unemployment increases tenfold. There is a huge amount of unemployment in these areas, its crazy.

Kids go crazy and start rioting after just being fed-up and feeling like noone gives a shit about them. The government even said after this happened that they made a mistake and will increase spending on these areas to help solve the problem.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh kinda like the riots in LA?

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":9b183]ohhhhhhhhhhhhh kinda like the riots in LA?[/quote:9b183]

Sort of....

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in '68 they called the riots in Detroit RACE riots, whats the difference? You cant use the word "race" anymore?

An unbiased government would be the perfect government, eh?

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":ea45e]in '68 they called the riots in Detroit RACE riots, whats the difference? You cant use the word "race" anymore?[/quote:ea45e]

I don't get what you're saying....

Why not just say riots and save yourself a word?

It's not even really a race riot seeing as the people involved are of multiple races and are mainly just the poor living in these ghettos, and it wasn't necessarily instigated by race either, but more by economic situation coupled with location.

but isn't it minorities against caucasians? wouldn't that count as a race riot? And I think often times race and economic situation are close enough to be directly related

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I think the rioters are much more concerned about poverty and things of that nature. The people that live in poverty happen to be muslim. That doesn't make it a racr riot.

The Detroit RACE riots were directly a result of RACIAL issues. This is primarily a result of the government's economic neglect for ghettos in France. Only partially, if at all race-related.

So I guess they're not race riots because they are happening in France? People of color were invited to come to France and promised a better life. The French didn't provide the better life to the hoards that answered the call. I still say unchecked immigration is a bad idea.

Average, patriotic America: France is a bad idea.

oh, ok.

That reminds me of New Orleans, they say that the black communities weren't helped but it was really the poor communities, which just happened to be black.

I don't get what you guys are making a controversy out of this. It's hardly about race at all. Why would you call it something its not?

North Africans are of multiple races anyway, Arab and African. The thing is there are white kids involved too. The thing they all have in common is there socio-economic status.

It seems to be Americans that are pushing the idea that it's a race riot....Which is amusing to me. You just want the French to be as racist as your country historically is. While there is alot of racial tension I just don't think its as prominent as it is in the U.S, and from what I've read and heard I wouldn't say it is the main reason for the rioting at all.

I was watching a few interviews on tv with some of the kids that were involved in the earlier rioting and they claimed that their anger was at the fact that they couldn't get employed - They went on to say that the prejudice generally came after they told them where they lived. That doesn't sound like a race issue to me.

They (the rioters) are being discriminated against because of geography? I thought they lived in France. The suburbs of Paris and such. I see this as a race issue because if it were happening here in America it would be a race issue. People of color against the establishment. It's ironic that a few weeks ago the French newspapers were calling us racist because of a hurricane, and now their country is burning because of their xenophobic nature.

On a side note, it's spring in NZ. Is the weather nice?

loool nice change of subject happy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4414684.stm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4993214
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/114626.stm

It seems to me that it could labled as a bunch of different types of riots.

I enjoyed the episode of South Park where Cartman punched Token, the only black guy in the school and had to go to juvy because of it being a hate crime.

And then the boys went to the government to appeal and proved that all crimes are hate crimes and just because it had to do with race doens't make it any different and the government was the problem in why we are making humans to be different based on colour.

they aslo had an episode where they wanted to change the flag, it portraid (sp?) a black man being hung and the kids didnt see it as a racist thing just as a violent thing.





BTT all I have seen is the French allowed a bunch of immigrants (Muslum and Africans), promosed them futures, put them in one area and reniged on thier promisses. So this pissed them off and they rioted. Riots are the stupidest things you can do, what good comes of me burning my neighbors house and they burn mine?

Im surprised France hasnt surrendered yet freak:

If it were primarily a race issue, don't ypou think they would have been turned away before they even got asked where they're from? The French haven't got much of a history of prejudice, so the media won't play up that side of it - But even still it's not in the minds of most of the rioters like it is in the blacks of the ghettos in the U.S....

The French ghettoes are on the outskirts of the cities and towns.


...and I dunno what season it is - But the weather has been half shit and half okay. Must be spring. freak:

Thats amazing what hallucinations can cause.