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Coleman 01-19-2006 07:47 PM

New Bin Laden Tape
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182153,00.html

hmmmm

elstatec 01-19-2006 08:16 PM

[quote:e9b69]though to date there hasn't been a false bin Laden tape that's come out[/quote:e9b69]



hake:

Stammer 01-19-2006 08:43 PM

lol FoxNews

Trunks 01-19-2006 08:53 PM

[quote:a75e1] but the terror group is offering a conditional truce to help rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan[/quote:a75e1] Looks to me like an act to try to get more muslims to side with him. Makes him look like the victim, if he called for a truce and was put down. Clever.

c312 01-19-2006 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
[quote:f90c8]though to date there hasn't been a false bin Laden tape that's come out



hake:[/quote:f90c8]

sleeping:

Coleman 01-19-2006 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammer
lol FoxNews

I'm sorry oOo: Does this make you feel at ease? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binlad ... index.html

Stammer 01-19-2006 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
lol FoxNews

I'm sorry oOo: Does this make you feel at ease? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binlad ... index.html

Don't be a smartass, CNN sucks cock too.

spank:

c312 01-19-2006 10:51 PM

what does the news source have to do with this? it's not like it's a partisan issue...

ninty 01-19-2006 11:21 PM

Bin Laden is dead.

Coleman 01-19-2006 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty
Bin Laden is dead.

sweet

ninty 01-19-2006 11:30 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap ... .binladen/
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap ... .binladen/
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html

Coleman 01-19-2006 11:33 PM

I didn't mean the "sweet" with any sarcasm. I'm actually happy that devil is dead.

elstatec 01-19-2006 11:33 PM

Bin Ladens real name is Dave.

c312 01-19-2006 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty

That's an interesting source...

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/wmd2.html

It's based in Falls Church, VA, my home town.

Stammer 01-20-2006 09:05 AM

Does it really matter if he was dead or alive? All killing him now would be is a morale boost for Americans, it's not like it really matters anymore.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem important anymore.

elstatec 01-20-2006 10:43 AM

he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

c312 01-20-2006 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

lolzor

elstatec 01-20-2006 01:09 PM

bin laden is the crust, terrorism is the mantle, but $ profit is the core.

Pyro 01-20-2006 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
I didn't mean the "sweet" with any sarcasm. I'm actually happy that devil is dead.

Hoepfully the man behind the Iraq war will share the same fate soon.

Madmartagen 01-20-2006 03:06 PM

true, if bin laden is dead, then the poster boy for war on terror is gone. i wouldnt be surprised if the govt or some part of the govt is holding our troops in Afghan and Pakistan from finding him.

Trunks 01-20-2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
Does it really matter if he was dead or alive? All killing him now would be is a morale boost for Americans, it's not like it really matters anymore.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem important anymore.

well said.

c312 01-20-2006 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
bin laden is the crust, terrorism is the mantle, but $ profit is the core.

because George Bush piloted the airplanes into the WTC and is currently lining his pocket with profits from killing terrorists....

Machette 01-20-2006 03:53 PM

Wouldn't all the insurgents be claiming him as a martyr on their web sites if he was dead? And making suicide attacks in his name? I know insurgents like pulling off speeches before they blow themselves up and I'm sure they would be doing it for Osama and they would say that...if he was dead. My opinion...but I do think he is still alive.

Eight Ace 01-20-2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

of course if he were dead, al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet for the same motivational reasons, but your head is so far up your arse you couldn't see something like that being done by anyone other than Americans.

ninty 01-20-2006 05:56 PM

Here's what's on the tape if anyone's interested:

[quote:d0496]My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them. I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.

But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he (Bush) has opposed this wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that it is better to fight them (bin Laden's followers) on their land than their fighting us (Americans) on our land.

I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale there and the rise in cases of suicide among them. So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines that tore them apart. After this situation the soldier is caught between two hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam Butcher (U.S. army) or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that (what is going on). The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them (the soldiers).

The news of our brother mujahideen (holy warriors) is different from what the Pentagon publishes. They (the news of mujahideen) and what the media report is the truth of what is happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of freedom in the world (Bush) had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al-Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.

On another issue, jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S Army and its agents (which is) to a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands.

As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their joints. And when they give up on (interrogating) them, they sometimes use the drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the horrors in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons.

And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the fierceness of the resistance. The mujahideen, thank God, are increasing in number and strength - so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.

And if you compare the small number of dead on the day that Bush announced the end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq for their own private, suspect reasons.

And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies. At the same time, the mujahideen (holy warriors), with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European nations who are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission.

Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement - the one that slipped from him - which is at the heart of polls calling for withdrawing the troops. It is better that we (Americans) don't fight Muslims on their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.

We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars - which lets us understand the insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.

If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all."

Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for injustice and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose. A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands, offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and destroyed our houses and played with our security and we will give you the same treatment.

You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years and we bled their economy and now they are nothing.

In that there is a lesson for you. [/quote:d0496]

ninty 01-20-2006 06:29 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?secti ... id=3828678

c312 01-20-2006 06:30 PM

Terrorists defeated the Soviet Union!!?!?! egad!

elstatec 01-20-2006 07:57 PM

[quote="Eight Ace":8aa3e]
Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

of course if he were dead, al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet for the same motivational reasons, but your head is so far up your arse you couldn't see something like that being done by anyone other than Americans.[/quote:8aa3e]


wouldnt think so at all, they would immortalize him as a martyr as Al Queda is more than one person, but anyway your head is so far up your own arse that you fail to see more than just what the western news channels say.

c312 01-20-2006 08:20 PM

he may fail to see other things than what the news says, but that's only because there is no reason not to beleive them.

You act like it's worse to beleive the media is telling the truth than it is to beleive it is always lying without a reason to think so.

does anyone else feel like some people here think they are above the rest of us here because they found some shit on the internet that says the opposite of what the mainstream media says? I certainly feel that way.


stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid:

Ferich 01-20-2006 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by c312
does anyone else feel like some people here think they are above the rest of us here because they found some shit on the internet that says the opposite of what the mainstream media says? I certainly feel that way.

Have you thought of a solution to this problem? Obviously people can't be banned for having an elitist attitude or disagreeing with you.

If the other mods and zoner are interested maybe we can have a thread to discuss specific rules for this forum. For now pm a mod if you have a suggestion or a complaint about someone breaking one of the GF1.com rules.

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... ?t=1002741

elstatec 01-20-2006 09:24 PM

nothing i have found on the internet has anything todo with my opinion.

The media agencies make news reports from stories that are past on to them, and will by principle of manor not have very equal sided views, say like Invading Iraq for freedom from the likes of foxnews, but say the likes of Al Jazerra will have the opposite view toward this story. Hench the saying, 'dont believe everything you read' comes into bearing



does anyone else feel like some people here think they are above the rest of us because they believe what fox news says? I certainly feel that way.

stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid: stupid:

Coleman 01-20-2006 10:15 PM

I haven't watched fox news (or any other TV for the matter) for over 3 months. I just went to FoxNews.com to get that article b/c it was the quickest way. I just used it more to point out that he made a new tape, rather than to hear what the translation is for it.

c312 01-20-2006 10:18 PM

But the sources you are refusing to beleive are more than just fox news, it's almost all media in its entirety

elstatec 01-20-2006 10:19 PM

wasnt anything todo with you getting that article coleman, i just used fox news as an example in reply to c13232323

c312 01-20-2006 10:22 PM

because it's easy to lump people who listen to any media with people who watch Fox news which is admitedly biased towards the right

elstatec 01-20-2006 10:34 PM

news does not mean evidence.


and yes foxnews is admitedly right biased as you said, but CNN, NBC etc dont exactly cover the middle ground for world news.

c312 01-20-2006 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
news does not mean evidence.

it doesn't mean fallacy either

Short Hand 01-21-2006 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c312
Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
news does not mean evidence.

it doesn't mean fallacy either

so you watch CNN ?

Eight Ace 01-21-2006 01:20 AM

[quote=elstatec]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Eight Ace":c8048
Quote:

Originally Posted by elstatec
he seems to be a huge motivational issue behind this war on terror, so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist war on terror can continue.

of course if he were dead, al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet for the same motivational reasons, but your head is so far up your arse you couldn't see something like that being done by anyone other than Americans.

wouldnt think so at all, they would immortalize him as a martyr as Al Queda is more than one person, but anyway your head is so far up your own arse that you fail to see more than just what the western news channels say.[/quote:c8048]
That makes no sense to me, whereas in fact I am only offering an alternative scenario ("al qaeda themselves could be keeping that information quiet").

a) you say "so if he was dead, or is captured i wouldnt be surprised if it would be covered up so the capitalist( oOo: ) war on terror can continue"

b) you also say to my suggestion that al qaeda may keep osamas death or capture quiet "wouldnt think so at all, they would immortalize him as a martyr".

..just how would the evil Americans be able to "cover up" osamas death/capture while at the same time the entire Islamic world is announcing his death/capture and immortalizing his martyrdom?

elstatec 01-21-2006 08:30 AM

[quote:0271e]just how would the evil Americans be able to "cover up" osamas death/capture while at the same time the entire Islamic world is announcing his death/capture and immortalizing his martyrdom?[/quote:0271e]

1. The entire islamic world are not members of Al Queda, so would not immortlaize him beyond your short sighted ignorance.

2. I never said anything about Americans being Evil, i just said they are not exactly good either based on their foreign policies but thats another story.

3. If the Americans or whoever captured or killed him and chose to cover it up, and Al Queda thinks otherwise and so does the whole world then that is a covered up situation. But if he is killed but body found by Al Queda they would immortalize his martyrdom, and a cover up would not be possible by the Western whoever governments. It is a two or more different scenarios depending on how he is captured or found dead etc, dont mix them up as the same if you have mistaken to.


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