Roe. V Wade
 

It's not about Pro-Life, it's about Anti-Choice. If you don't want an abortion don't get one.

how about abortions for some, tiny american lawn flags for others.

Regressive party

So your for abortion, but against the death penalty. oOo:

Since when did I say anything about the death penalty? This is about freedom of choice, not about bumper sticker logic and one liners...

or lack of choice depending who's point of view you are using.

I find it goes against my morals. There is nothing you can do to change my mind on that.

im pro choice, pro death penalty, pro gay marriages, pro guns (except automatics).

im pro choice, pro death penalty, anti gay marriages, pro guns (flamethrowers are more than legal rock: ).

When you say pro-choice, do you mean letting the child choose to live or the mother choose to let the child die?




calmdown:

yup

I think that it should be the choice of BOTH parents...like if the Father can make a good case that he can not finanacially provide for a kid....he should get the abortion and be like th ekid never exists...but if the women wants to keep the kid the dad is not obligated to pay child support.

And it is bullshit that I see women bitch about child support, but if the Dad has a kid i never hear about them paying shit.

Double standards.

I think abortion is better than adoption...but keeping the kid is the best choice...but only if the parents can fianacially support the kid.

give the mom the choice on whether she wants to carry and give birth to a baby or not. its her body.

does the fetus count as her body too?

pyro, you think abortion is better than adoption?!?

Not on a whole...but to me...Id wouldn't like to know someone lives in the World that comes from my genes and I know nothing about them...and can't even see them grow up without at least one of thier original parents.

I want to make sure any kid I have...Is mine...and mine alone (unless my babys momma wants to be involved too)

I think that adoption is better than abortion, but thats MY opinion. I think the mother should have her choice.

I myself am pro choice and I believe people should have the choice to deside if they want to keep the soon to be child.

So you would kill a fetus even though there are thousands of couples that are unable to have a child because you couldn't handle it? This is a baby that you don't want in the first place, so you would rather kill potential life than give the joy of a child to someone else, someone who cannot physically create that joy themselves?

Yes. Other people are not the concern here. They have options, they can adopt. Why should a woman take another couples situation into consideration when making her own life-altering decision? a couple who cannot have their own baby can adopt from the thousands of available babies.

Babies are not as abundant as you think.

And what I said is in the case that Pyro suggests, where he mentioned no objection to the actual carrying and birth of a baby, but only to having a kid you don't know in the world. That seems ridiculous to me that you would care that much a baby that you thought about not allowing to live.

if RvW was repealed there would be so many kids in shelters it would be insane. There are not enough people out there to adopt them. Thats the one and only question I have for pro-lifers, where do you put the kids? dont say "adopt them" that wont fly. Not enough out there to adopt so many children

If it weren't for the mother the fetus wouldn't exists period, so yes it is part of her body.

And fuck other people, like Mad said they can adopt or find someone who is willing to be a surrogate mother.

Also Coleman, you're against abortion but Pro-War and Pro-Death penalty? Were are your morals then? Why weren't you protesting the invasion of Bosnia and Iraq?

gg stammer cool:

Lots of issues here...

1. Abortion - My view? Well I really don't have a view as I have never gotten into that situation yet (knock on wood).

2. Guns - 2nd amendment right.

3. War in Iraq - why? Sadaam wasn't a threat to us.

4. War in Afghanistan - Good strategy, train the locals to fight the taliban.

there is a difference in intentionally killing a soon to be life and killing someone who killed other people.

That's Gods plan...why should I help out when this God is nice enough to fuck over certain people.

God doens't want it...so why give them a Kid. I have to live with ashtma, glasses, braces(at one point) and also have to be shorter than my younger brother.

Some people get fucking benefits in life...and some people don't...I get my shit end...they get their shit end...thats that.

I thought this thread was about which WW2-movie/miniseries medic was better...Doc Roe from BoB or Wade from SPR...lol...

Pro-Choice Fo Life.

lol that sounds funny

well...it's one the most known about legal case sin 20th century america...alsong with the forgot the name vs the board of education in kansas about teaching evolution in shcool.

Brown. heh, how appropriate.

And pyro, I have no clue what point you were trying to make in your previous post.

Brown VS Board Of Education was a Civil Rights issue. It had nothing to do with teaching evolution in school at all. "Most known," God you're a fucking moron Pyro. oOo:

So something that isn't even a born human being is more important than the already living? I though all life was cherished? Death is death, life is life. Plus not everyone in a war has killed someone else before. I would be willing to bet that in every war at least one unborn was killed, does that mean war should be banned because of the chance an unborn may be killed?

thats a good thing then, society doesnt want an abundance of orphan kids around. Im not talking about a situation where a mother is pregnant for 8 months and then has an abortion. That does happen, but im talking about the situation where a girl finds out she's pregnant, realizes that she is not fit to raise and carry a baby, and so she gets an abortion - plain and simple. It doesnt make sense for her to go through an entire pregnancy just to give the baby up for someone else's benefit - thats like me not buying a car because there are people out there who have to ride the bus everyday to work. There may be a girl like that, and thats great for her if shes ok with it and thats great for the adopting family - but again, my entire reasoning of being pro choice is that it is her choice to make. To me, abortion is about the right to have choices.

Well you have to understand that not everyone values life in the same way as you. There is a solution for this problem that caters to everyones needs. If you think abortion is bad, then dont get one. If you think it may be a good decision for you, then go for it. everyone wins in this case.

yeah, definately only read the first part and immediately jumped to Brown, whoops.

And Stammer, a baby dying in war is different, that's an accident so it really can't be compared to what we're talking about here.

And I hate getting caught up on this "a fetus isn't a baby" thing because it seems like a load of crap. If a car plant is making a car, for all intensive purposes, while the chassis is being assembled, you can count it for production as a car.

This is a stupid argument, no one is gonna change their opinion so it's pretty dumb to try to argue all of this.

I heard about this thing call "birth control". It's like a pill or something that a girl can take to keep from getting preggers.

Also a guy can wear a rubber. Those things can keep a girl from getting pregnant and keep your cock from picking up some disease from the slut.

You can always spurt all over the ho's face. She won't get knocked up from cum in the eye.

birth control and condoms dont always work, what happens if the girl still gets pregnant? even the most responsible couple can end up having a pregnancy. the debate isnt about whether its an evil or immoral thing, it should be about choices. no one said getting an abortion was the easy way out and it certainly isnt easy. its a last ditch effort to get out of a situation that can ruin your life. opinions on whether its moral or immoral are irrelevant imo - i dont think anyone has the right to tell another what they can and cant do with their own body.

the other side of the argument is that the fetus should have the right to live also, it's not only about the mother, it's about the baby that she has created accidentaly, even though she knew it was a possibility when she decided to have sex.

true, but the fetus is a part of the mother. giving birth is a biological event that happens to her. whether or not a fetus could be considered a human or not, the mother is the host. like all things in nature, a host determines whether its parasite (for the lack of a better word) lives on. the mother is already a breathing and free thinking being. you cannot put the interests of something that has neither the capacity to survive on its own, yet alone think and feel, before the wishes of someone who can. it isnt logical.

im pregnant with milla's child...


who wouldn't...