Muhammad owned?
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm

[quote:34248]Newspapers across Europe have reprinted caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to show support for a Danish paper whose cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage.

Seven publications in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Spain all carried some of the drawings.

Their release in Denmark has led to protests in Arab nations, diplomatic sanctions and death threats.

Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet, but media watchdogs defend press freedom to publish the images.

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."

'Spiting Muslims'

France Soir and Germany's Die Welt are among the leading papers to reprint the cartoons, which first appeared in Denmark last September.

The caricatures include drawings of Muhammad wearing a headdress shaped like a bomb, while another shows him saying that paradise was running short of virgins for suicide bombers.

In Berlin, Die Welt argued there was a right to blaspheme in the West, and asked whether Islam was capable of coping with satire.

"The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical," it wrote in an editorial.

La Stampa in Italy, El Periodico in Spain and Dutch paper Volkskrank also carried some of the drawings, while France Soir reprinted the full set.

It did so to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society, the paper said.

European Muslims spoke out against the pictures.

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, described France Soir's move as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

In Germany, the vice-chairman of the central council of Muslims said Muslims would be deeply offended.

"It was done not to defend freedom of the press, but to spite the Muslims," Mohammad Aman Hobohm said.

Sanctions

Correspondents say the European papers' actions have widened a dispute which has grown very serious for Denmark.

The publication last September in Jyllands-Posten has provoked diplomatic sanctions and threats from Islamic militants across the Muslim world.

Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller has postponed a trip to Africa because of the dispute.

Thousands of Palestinians protested against Denmark this week, and Arab ministers called on it to punish Jyllands-Posten.

Syria and Saudi Arabia have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark, while Libya said it was closing its embassy in Copenhagen and Iraq summoned the Danish envoy to condemn the cartoons.

The Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result of the row, which sparked a boycott of Danish products across the region.

The offices of Jyllands-Posten, had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat.

The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print them.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but defended the freedom of the press[/quote:34248]

stupid:

Danish people are cool.

Where the cartoons at?

[img]http://religion.info/artman/uploads/0222_jyllands-posten.jpg[/img]

Man they need to seriously calm down ... Oh is okay to screw around with jews and catholics ... But no one can touch them. Is like the ACLU

....There is a post 'EDIT' button. oOo:

[quote="mR.cLeAn":1488b]Man they need to seriously calm down ... Oh is okay to screw around with jews and catholics ... But no one can touch them. Is like the ACLU[/quote:1488b]

dude it is one of their core beliefs, just like one of yours (i assume you are jewish) is that you cannot eat pork.

still, freedom of speech is more important than respecting other peoples religious feelings. they should make a cartoon depicting jesus, moses and muhammad in a 3 way anal gangbang getting handjobs from sheeva

[quote=Acideyez]dude it is one of their core beliefs, just like one of yours (i assume you are jewish) is that you cannot eat pork.[/quote:989ac]
seems to me Jews are always making fun of their core beliefs, Jewish humour is some of the best shit,
they might not eat pork but they don't go completely berserk when someone else makes a joke about the fact.

on the other hand I didn't hear many muslims complaining when the media was used to show bound men
having their heads sliced off, but a couple of cartoons/drawings and naturally it's "DEATH TO EVERYONE!!1!" time again... oOo:

..Theo Van Gogh anyone? Salman Rushdie perhaps..?

Re: Muhammad owned?
 

[quote:7429c]"The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical," it wrote in an editorial.[/quote:7429c]

Exactly.

FUCK YOU OBIWAN.

Dude could you at least try to stay close to the subject.

[quote:7f16b]"Islam considers any artistic renditions of the prophet Muhammad blasphemous.
In many Muslim nations English-language newspapers are so reverential that any
mention of his name is followed by "PBUH", standing for for peace be upon him".[/quote:7f16b]

omfg, well here's some "forbidden images" the muslims must have missed over the years... eek:


[url=http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/:7f16b]Link[/url:7f16b]



Iranian woman artist Oranous created this iconic painting of a young Mohammed and is selling it online, even though she is a devout Muslim and lives in Tehran. rolleyes:
[img]http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/Prophet%20Mohammad.jpg[/img]

In the Inferno chapter of Dante's trilogy The Divine Comedy, Mohammed is described as being one of the "Sowers of Discord"...
The 1911 Italian silent film L'Inferno contained a dramatization of the scene in the eight circle of hell; Mohammed is here on the right with his entrails hanging out.
[img]http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/Mohammed-inferno.jpg[/img]


[img]http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/muhammaddevareaux.jpg[/img][img]http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/sp_mohammed.gif[/img]


[quote:7f16b]"The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical"[/quote:7f16b]

[img]http://img.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0601/30/nablusdk.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0601/30/saudidk.jpg[/img]

[quote="Jyllands-Posten":81a00]Honourable Fellow Citizens of the Muslim World
Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten is a strong proponent of democracy and freedom of religion. The newspaper respects the right of any human being to practise his or her religion. Serious misunderstandings in respect of some drawings of the Prophet Mohammed have led to much anger and, lately, also boycott of Danish goods in Muslim countries.

Please allow me to correct these misunderstandings.

On 30 September last year, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten published 12 different cartoonists' idea of what the Prophet Mohammed might have looked like. The initiative was taken as part of an ongoing public debate on freedom of expression, a freedom much cherished in Denmark.

In our opinion, the 12 drawings were sober. They were not intended to be offensive, nor were they at variance with Danish law, but they have indisputably offended many Muslims for which we apologize.

Since then a number of offensive drawings have circulated in The Middle East which have never been published in Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten and which we would never have published, had they been offered to us. We would have refused to publish them on the grounds that they violated our ethical code.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten attaches importance to upholding the highest ethical standards based upon the respect of our fundamental values. It is so much more deplorable, therefore, that these drawings were presented as if they had anything to do with Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten.

Maybe because of culturally based misunderstandings, the initiative to publish the 12 drawings has been interpreted as a campaign against Muslims in Denmark and the rest of the world.

I must categorically dismiss such an interpretation. Because of the very fact that we are strong proponents of the freedom of religion and because we respect the right of any human being to practise his or her religion, offending anybody on the grounds of their religious beliefs is unthinkable to us.

That this happened was, consequently, unintentional.

As a result of the debate that has been going on about the drawings, we have met with representatives of Danish Muslims, and these meetings were held in a positive and constructive spirit. We have also sought in other ways to initiate a fruitful dialogue with Danish Muslims.

It is the wish of Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten that various ethnic groups should live in peace and harmony with each other and that the debates and disagreements which will always exist in a dynamic society should do so in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

For that reason, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten has published many articles describing the positive aspects of integration, for example in a special supplement entitled The Contributors. It portrayed a number of Muslims who have had success in Denmark. The supplement was rewarded by the EU Commission.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten takes exception to symbolic acts suited to demonise specific nationalities, religions and ethnic groups.

Sincerely yours

Carsten Juste
Editor-in-Chief [/quote:81a00]

Thats the formal apology made by the newspaper who printed the caricatures.

[url=http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_033162841.html:b979d]Similar situation[/url:b979d]

stfu it is on subject, in the religion of Jedi, Obi Wan Kenobi is a god.


plzdie:

Well the cartoons do depict muslims as violent people, I would be pissed as well.

i'm sure threatening the world with a tide of violence because of some cartoons is the best way to stop anyone thinking along those lines. oOo:

[quote="Eight Ace":315d8]i'm sure threatening the world with a tide of violence because of some cartoons is the best way to stop anyone thinking along those lines. oOo:[/quote:315d8]

[quote=Madmartagen][/quote:09a50]

Many muslims believe what the koran says, so initially they are obviously going to be pissed. If it said in the bible never draw pictures of jesus..and someone did, their would be a small group of fanatics willing to go to ultimate measures to be sure to eradicate those cartoons/drawings. The cartoonists in this case picked the wrong message to cover as a satire cartoon. Muslims get enough bad news arleady, a cartoon depicting their leader wearing a bomb in his turban isn't going to make the relationship any better. To many people see muslims the wrong way.

what other subjects do you consider "wrong" or taboo when it comes satire or cartoon subjects/messages?

Listen I'm not against free speech in any way...religion is a very serious subject for people. Muslims take Islam very serious, we can all see that, it's just that presently in the past few years Muslims have gotten bad publicitiy..they always have for a matter of fact. I'd like to see articles run about Israel's secret prisions in which thousands of arabs are beaten regularly everday...articles about their illegal settlements in arab land. Why don't we see bad press about Jewish actions? Because the first world doesn't want you to know this things...they would rather you see the actions by muslims since we see them as bad and uncivilized people. I have sympathy for Muslims, I don't support their practices. But like I said papers should never have bothered running this material. It's caused a stir in the muslim world and more papers running it in the name of freedom of speech won't make matters worse.

so that's your answer to the muslim overreaction to some european newspapers...blame the Jews, how original and how telling.

Are you seriously telling me middle eastern and other islamic press are not writing/covering anti-western/Jewish stories non-stop?, complete with cartoons.
How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.

to sum it up, everyone opresses everyone else.

[quote="Eight Ace":b8a84]so that's your answer to the muslim overreaction to some european newspapers...blame the Jews, how original and how telling.

Are you seriously telling me middle eastern and other islamic press are not writing/covering anti-western/Jewish stories non-stop?, complete with cartoons.
How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.[/quote:b8a84]

Am I blaming the jews? You are putting words in my mouth Eight Ace...not one sentence in my post did I proclaim the jews are to blame. I merely used the jews as a example of how the media reports and how it doesnt cover certain things. And I don't think I have to give statistics because its blantly obvious. And Al jazeera which is considered pro arab by many it is also considered anti arab because they have zionists commentators write articles and appear on t.v..

And to sum up what someone said on another board..(I'm bringing up jews and no I'm not blaming them) [quote:b8a84]As I've said before, the outrage some muslims feel about these cartoons can be compared to western outrage to holocaust jokes/cartoons.[/quote:b8a84]

[quote="Eight Ace":b8a84]How are you aware of such things, are your accounts first hand or from the free media.[/quote:b8a84]

I find out about these things in books, and by reading the footnotes of their sources they get them from first hand accounts or they actually went to Israel to find these things out on their own. They also get them from church reports, which are usually christian.

Who cares, the point is, the Muslims are getting angry over something they shouldn't be so angry about. I know it's sacred to them, but they need to learn that they aren't better than everyone else. Everyone's religion gets made fun of, Christians and Jews have been made fun of for thousands of years, get a grip Muslims.

yes lets all march into Mecca and tell them that it was only a joke and they should chillax.

Am I blaming the jews? You are putting words in my mouth Eight Ace...not one sentence in my post did I proclaim the jews are to blame.

agreed, but I asked you what subjects you considered as "wrong", like printing these Mohammed pics, and the first thing you jumped on was 'if its ok to print that then lets hear about "Jewish actions", and i'm suggesting to you that islamic media is all over "Jewish actions" ...real or imagined, like flies on shit.

I merely used the jews as a example of how the media reports and how it doesnt cover certain things.

"the media reports" ...not sure if you mean only western media or all media,
EDIT: oh, ok so you get your information from books, books are part of the free press last time i looked.
why you even have access to such books under GWB is beyond me.. rolleyes:

And to sum up what someone said on another board..(I'm bringing up jews again so don't throw a hissy fit eight ace)

well it's annoying that even this issue causes jews to be mentioned, have you shown that all these editors/journalists/cartoonists are jewish?,
I have no connection with Jews or Israel and anything I say about them is based on my understanding and my own idea of fairness,
just like I also believe the majority of muslims just want a peaceful life with private worship.

I don't live in america, plus the book was printed under california university press...which is indepedently owned...not corporate sponsored.

well I'm glad wherever you live doesn't ban the books/information/images you like,

and please explain how your independent v corporate comment changes the fact that whatever book
you're on about is there in your hands, as opposed to being banned with a ridiculous social upheaval?

EDIT: you didn't really explain why you jumped on "Jewish actions" yet.

What I would like to know is where the abundance of Danish flags came from? FFS, anytime someone pisses off the radicals, they're in the streets with the offenders flag in 10 minutes flat. Someone must be making a mint.

[quote="Eight Ace":7d965]well I'm glad wherever you live doesn't ban the books/information/images you like,

and please explain how your independent v corporate comment changes the fact that whatever book
you're on about is there in your hands, as opposed to being banned with a ridiculous social upheaval?

EDIT: you didn't really explain why you jumped on "Jewish actions" yet.[/quote:7d965]
I jumped on jewish actions is because they go unreported in western media. I could tell something about Israel to somebody on this board on they wouldn't know it...mainly because western media doesn't report it. Media statistics in the arab world are rare especially about reporting...but who in the west watches al jazeera to get the daily news? they would rather get it from cnn. That's why I wish people would read certain sites to get the daily news, the info is there you just need to search for it.

My independent v corporate case is justifiable I think. Somebody like Noam Chomsky for example (a far left critic on foreign policy and media) his books come out from South End Press a independent publisher and other independent publishers. He has said that corporate publishers do not wish to run his material because of his controversial books. Just like how he is banned from going on certain media outlets. Gwynne Dyer (A canadian military historian) was banned from writing articles in the jerusalem post because conrad black, a canadian conservative who ran the paper disagreed with what he had to say so he banished him from all the papers he runs (he owned alot when he was big). I can give you a site that shows which corporations run the main publishers if you like. Information does get out don't get me wrong, but only some voices are heard rather than all.

lol, that would be like expecting the islamic media to be up-front about the activities of their own society, the everyday outrages of sharia law, honor killings of girls, inter-sect killings, all religion based, can you imagine their idea of jail, interrogation and torture, or who is in all these islamic mass graves..?....no, because you have "sympathy for them", and you are as racist as anyone else here.


whatever, enjoy ur read.

Apparently someone witnessed protestors setting fire to the Danish Embassy in Damascus but I can't find a very informative article about it yet. I don't know if there were innocent people inside the building or what.

[quote:ca728]Witnesses said the demonstrators set fire to the entire building, which also houses the embassies of Chile and Sweden.[/quote:ca728]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/ ... index.html

[quote="Eight Ace":5242b]lol, that would be like expecting the islamic media to be up-front about the activities of their own society, the everyday outrages of sharia law, honor killings of girls, inter-sect killings, all religion based, can you imagine their idea of jail, interrogation and torture, or who is in all these islamic mass graves..?....no, because you have "sympathy for them", and you are as racist as anyone else here.


whatever, enjoy ur read.[/quote:5242b]

Atleast you pointed out everyone else is. And just because I have sympathy for them doesn't mean I'm "blinded" from the truth. I read about the sharia law and all those other things. It's unfortunate it really is, but I have sympathy in regard to their struggle with the west not with the struggle within their own religion among their own people, that is better argued amongst themselves and not the west.

So you don't believe publishers are in a sense blocking out information or voices? I would enjoy seeing how you would counter this argument seeing as you have said barely anything.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/ ... index.html[/quote:ac469]


Really fucking stupid, I swear to god, get over your fucking selves. Lets burn down an embassy over some piddley shit.

Denmark is so cool cry: Fucking Syrians

Lets see danish draw a cartoon showing them as violent people, and they respond not by saying they are disappointed, renounce them something. No they fucking go apeshit, burn their flag, scream and threaten to start kidnapping euro's and then burn down the danish embassy, then march on over to the norweigen ebassy and to the same thing.

That helps dispell the myths

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/200 ... 5-sun.html

Wow Muslims that are thinking... Western Muslims > Eastern Muslims