French Riots getting out of control
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060315/ts ... N5bmNhdA--

They are rioting for a good cause if you ask me...if look at france's history, riots are a part of student culture in france..

why the hell would rioting be considered good when people are injured? stupid:

it gets some sort of point across. Look at all those Vietnam protests, mainly the one that ended up with police shooting and killing students, I beleive it was Kent University. It gets a very strong message across.

ok, so getting a point across is worth people dying?

Am I late on this post or are these the same roits that started a month or so ago?

[quote="Art Attack":2f4ef]Am I late on this post or are these the same roits that started a month or so ago?[/quote:2f4ef]

Read the article you fucking tards.. oOo: It's about students protesting a bill passed by the government that would allow companies to fire people under 25 easier. How many of you don't know how to read on these fourms? rolleyes: sleeping: hake:

that doesn't give them the right to fucking go, ruin property, and even injure people. Open your eyes

no fucking shit, you can protest and be non violent.

fuck sakes people are so fucking stupid some time.

Guess none of you would be pissed if your government would pass a bill like that... oOo: eek:

I'd be pissed but that wouldn't make me go downtown and start flipping cars, throwing bricks through store windows, and injuring cops. annoy:

None of them would even care or be aware of it.

the bill would stipulate that anyone under the age of 26 would be under a 2 year contract in which the employer could terminate an employee for any reason whatsoever.

oOo:

gay

lol quote of the day...thanks for that stammer +1

if none of you have read any french history they always riot like this...and personally I find it ironic some of guys bring up marching with non-violence..

seriously, you're getting a bit over the top here rolleyes: annoy:

Hey you go tell those french citizens that witnessed years of rioting in the 60s and 70s to march peacefully..also not to mention last year..If the government passed this bill are you just going to walk the streets with candles hoping that the government will listen?..the media wouldn't even cover this event if it was that way and thats not what these protestors want...they WANT to be heard and this is unfortunately the only way. If you want to march non-violently sure go for it but be sure to bring nearly a million people with you..this is a reckless bill and these riots are attempting to resolve it. If you consider me over the top fine thats your opinion. Like I said before if this bill was to pass in Canada I would down right be pissed. You have to question why the fuck they would want to pass a bill that allows companies to fire teenagers easier. oOo:

that's like saying, "Oh that's alright. Let those Iraqi's kill themselves with car bombs. Its in their history. Let them do it. it's the only way they'll be heard." or "Oh let those Muslims riot over those cartoons. It's the only way they can get their point accross to the world."

rolleyes: and my opinion still stands

I was waiting for the infamous Muslim cartoon rights protest..firstly those protest clearly got out of hand people ended up dying and death threats were made etc only a few non-violent marches took place during that time by muslims in certain countries..this is a 1,000 person protest...and even with that amount of people protesting aggressively, Chirac is still rallying behind his prime minister on the bill..so do you really think a non-violent protest would get the point across?

Civil disobedience works best to show the oppressor that he is doing wrong..But Chirac is acting to stubbornly.

I think they proved that nonviolent protests can work as well if not better than violent protests back in Birmingham. oOo:

Re: French Riots getting out of control
 

[quote="Machette"]

They are rioting for a good cause if you ask me...[quote]



thats a nice statement, all this time I have wasted writing politicans, I should have burned my neighbors car and he should have burned mine.

Re: French Riots getting out of control
 

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":f4a52][/quote:f4a52][/quote:f4a52]

I'll burn both your cars, and your houses while im in the mood, all for the low one time price of $50. rock:

you do realize this is a Work trial Bill. Most employers have a 30 or 90 work trial period in which they can let you go or you can leave at anytime for any reason. Hell Britan has a 1 year probation period right now The french Gov't just wants to pass it for 2 years,

"Villepin says the law will help reduce unemployment among the young, now running at 22.8 percent, more than twice the national rate. Youth unemployment was widely seen as a cause of riots in poor suburbs last year."

This gives employers the ability to hire more people to their staff as "temp" workers without the fear of having to shell out severence packages for workers who dont pan out.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/ ... blabor.php

"Roubaud is not the only one who has taken advantage of the new contract, which so far applies only to the 2.4 million French companies with fewer than 20 employees."

This bill can be very beneficial, but Im sure most french youth think much like yourself machette and blindly see just the surface of OH MY GOD MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING CAN JUST FIRE ME FOR NO REASON BECAUSE IM UNDER 26, BURN THE TOWN!!!

so please kindly go fuck yourself mr righteous

Re: French Riots getting out of control
 

[quote=geRV][/quote:86956][/quote:86956]



bring it on,


I have a gun and a shovel and know how to use both



BTW I only have 1 house

Re: French Riots getting out of control
 

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5bed1][quote=geRV]

bring it on,


I have a gun and a shovel and know how to use both



BTW I only have 1 house[/quote:5bed1][/quote:5bed1][/quote:5bed1]

Referring to your "neighors" house as well since you referenced his car.

Making fun of someone in a political debate to further achieve your point = oOo: stupid:

I don't see why any bill should exist. And I love Sgt>Stackem's response..don't worry Americans have rioted for even worse reasons = guns n roses concert didn't show up or because a sports team won some grand prize...real good reason to tear up a city..give me a fucking break you guys rolleyes: Hearing non-violent marches from you hawks only makes me laugh.

It doesn't matter what the reason is behind it, violent protests only hurt your chances of achieving your goal. And wtf is with all this hawk shit, no one likes violent protests

When innocent people die..things get out of hand. That's ultimately why I changed my stance on the muslim cartoon issue. My stance always seems to be for the underdog in a issue and it may always be that way but I can't find any necessary justification for such a bill to exist..even if it is for a burger king or a mcdonalds.. Also I know many of you on this board despise me and thats alright but please refrain from idiotic lashes at your opponent it only makes you look ignorant.

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"I can't find any necessary justification for such a bill to exist"

Because for a smaller company it costs a ton to let someone go if they don't work out for the company.

"Roubaud knows that firsthand. In his 33 years as head of Simonet, he said, he has fired only four people. Twice, the dispute involved years of legal wrangling; in one case the costs matched his company's annual profit."

It helps lessen all these bullshit legal procedings if someone doesnt fit the mold of the company they cant sue if they are let go.

"the contract not only discourages companies from hiring and firing, it also discourages employees from leaving jobs voluntarily - not least because severance payments that increase with seniority make it advantageous to be fired."

A company is more likely going to hire you and let you work there for two years to see if you fit before offering you a full time job, than if they had to decide in 3 months whether you fit the job. At that point in order to fire you they would have to offer you a years pay or so.

This bill allows companies to hire more people "risk free" in order to weed out suck employees and find some good quality people.

So this bill is actually creating more job for younger people. Jobs that companies would not have offered before if they had to make a decsion in 90 days.

It takes some of the risk out of hiring younger people at small companies which could be ruined if someone takes them to court for serverance pay because they were let go.

EVERY country EVEN CANADA has this type of law, some are longer than others.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/L-2/199680.html#rid-199727

^ canadians have 90 days, if a company wants to let you go after 90 days they have to give you a minimum of 2 weeks pay.

How can it be only for smaller companies?

Stuff like this that makes me think..

[code:09196]Unemployment among the under-25s runs at more than 22 per cent of the workforce in France - double the rate in Britain - but tops 50 per cent in some of the immigrant suburbs where last year's riots began.

But students and trade unions have been infuriated by the law, which they say will merely give employers a source of cheap labour while eroding France's tradition of labour protection. Some of the protesters gathering this morning were wearing T-shirts with the slogan: "Knock-down prices".[/code:09196]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 14,00.html

I think its a fact of these students not reading the fine print

again in
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/ ... blabor.php

335 THOUSAND NEW JOBS as a result of the bill

"From August through January, 335,000 people[ were hired under the new rules, which allow employers to dismiss them during the first two years without showing a "real and serious" reason. About a third of these hires would not have been made without the new contract, according to a recent survey of French companies by the polling institute IFOP."

and

"The traditional French CDI, which still accounts for almost 90 percent of employment contracts, has an average probation period of 1.5 months, compared with 6 months in Germany, 9 to 12 months in Denmark and one year in Britain. After that, dismissals can cost employers 12 to 24 months of salary."

also

"Roubaud knows that firsthand. In his 33 years as head of Simonet, he said, he has fired only four people. Twice, the dispute involved years of legal wrangling; in one case the costs matched his company's annual profit.

"That sort of experience puts you off hiring," he said. "It gives you existential fears if you're running a small business.""

This contract made this guy more open to hiring people.


its also said
"What sets the new contract for small companies apart from past experiments, like the short-term and temporary work contracts introduced a decade ago, is that it is nominally a CDI, but with a longer probation period. The center-right government of Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin is planning a similar contract for employees under the age of 26, this time open to companies of all sizes."

which is showing the guy pushing for this bill for all companies.

Union workers of course back the protests because they think companies will just hire these new employees for a few dollars less, rather than deal with big unions.

I mean the article shows that this guy created 4 NEW jobs for people under 25 which would have not been there before because of his previous legal bullshits.

Are you more likely to try something if you arent stuck with it or have to pay for it if you dont want it.

Think wouldnt you like the ability to drop your cell phone service(or new employee) at ANY time during a 2 year period if it were unsastifactory and maybe try out a different service(employee) without having to pay a huge serverance fee?

Hell it would probably benefit the cellphone industry because more people would be willing to buy the service(or hire the new employee) to try out without fear of getting fleeced by the company or employee if its not what you were looking for in terms of service

if theyre worried about severence packages why dont they just reform that? dont companies over here give you severence only if you have been with the company for a year? that 300k doesnt seem right to me. if a third of those jobs wouldnt have been created with the old system, then that would mean that 200k of those jobs would have been created whether the new law was passed or not. the new law created 100k jobs, not 300k.

no they dont. Here in Michigan we are "at will" employees. This means they dont need a reason to let you go. You only get severence if you negoatiated for it.


remember, you will never get paid for what you are worth, you only get payed for what you negoatiate

Looks like I need to do more researching.. oOo: