Hell, is this another Half Life game, or a WWII game? I'm just sick and tired of shotgunners and bazookers, this is somehow ruining the WWII feel, don't ya think?


Get a M1 Garand already, or a KAR 98k, or.. whatever...

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Achtung! Scharfschutzer!
Zu decken! Angrif!...

I agree wit ya dog. But what are ya gonna do? You can complain about it and get shot by a shotty or you can either 1. Change tactics, or 2. play on a server running a realism mod. I dont play on the internet but I have a 5 computer network at home and play atleast 2 hours a night with my roomates. I was getting frustrated like you with the damn Shotty/rocket/snipers It just seemed in some situations these weapons made the game not fun. So I bitched and complained and got the wrath from my sniper/ shotty loving roomates. So I finally downloaded the CKR mod and now our battles are alot more "realistic" it pit the fun back into the game, now instead of hiding with a sniper, or shotty spamming we actually have tactical battles. Hope this helps ya.

Yes. Go get on a "REALISM SERVER" where the MACHINE GUN is more accurate than a SNIPER rifle, and folks only carry around 3 grenades despite evidence this wasnt REALLY the case.

YES go do that and stop posting here with that nonsense.

Jesus - first it was zookas, then nades.

Now people are complaining about the FUQQIN SHOTGUN!!!

A lack of MOD support wont kill this game - whiners forcing "realism mods" will.

shalom my dong

There needs to be limits to these classes. Its just getting out of hand when you have 5 bazookas firing down on you. Come on, this isn't how the war was. I want to have a sniper or two and a bazooka if there is a need for one. Not just because a bazooka is in the game. Maybe someday the'll get it right.

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shotguns arent that bad because hey actually take skill-but rockets are lame

Hey cerebral I think you need a fat doob < ))))))))> cuz you are all worked up about nothin. I simply posted my opinion about the game and I guess I was wrong because it is obvious that you are the big dick around here. lol. nobody is forcing you to play on tha realism servers and if you think we are then you need to stop smokin crack cuz you are gettin paranoid. When I go to your house and put a 9mm to your head and say "Play ona CKR server or there is gonna be grey matter all over your monitor" then complain about people forcing mods but untill then dont post things just to show that you are a bad ass and you got a bad attitude. If I was a 13yr old spammer I might have thought you had a point but I grew up and we dont need you whining about whiners.

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Im goin sniper huntin 2day............where is my KAR98K,

Nonsense to you, Cerebral Killerl did you ever think to go to battle in a war with yar 8-gauge rifle?
I wanted to see if are more people disgusted by some lame folks(not all of them, anyway) that somehow spoil the feeling of the game.
I reckon that single is much more fun than MP sometimes, 'cuz germans don't try to hit you with a panzer schreck , or worse try to jam the shotgun up ur mouth.
Just play "Stalingrad" with more than 8 people and see if you like to get blown away in those buildings.
"Gee, there's a weapon firing at the 2nd story! Why don't i get lame and fire up a bazooka round in there! yeah!!!"
[fssssssss....... boom!!!]
result: two fellas battling in a fair play on on one with garand, mauser, mp-40, BAR or whatever get blown away by a fegging chicken too lame to get there and look them in the eyes before pressing the trigger.
I have nothing against the weapons, as long as the bazooka/panzer schreck get their personnel damage diminuished and the shotgun a bigger spread radius.
Now what do you say about that?
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Achtung! Scharfschutzer!
Zu decken! Angrif!...

Unfortunatly rockets are part of the game. The seem to be highly inaccurate at long range, and incredibly stupid at close range(blow your self up). I was hoping in this game people would play with a little style(not running at each other with guns blazing). But I guess I forgot it's just a game.
So I try to do my best against whatever weapon I am facing.
BTW I'm usally one of those SNIPER-WHORES(only on axis though)

It's funny. KIDS toss around the "hey guy chill" line whenever someone posts a reply as "passionate" as their own. Sad, but still funny.

Bottom line FLAPJACK is this, you're WHINING about a function in the game, and then trying to lambast someone for doing what you percieve is the same. Hypocrite much? I could've been with you on the whole ZOOKA-WARS, but then to try and bring "shotguns" into the mix.

Damn. That's a little weak. Are we pissed because a shotty-man runs up on you and pumps you full of buckshot before you can take that well lined up shot? Ahhh. Well maybe next time CRANNBERRY.

Anyway, I expect this reply to be dismissed as more "spamming" and or "flamming" since it doesn't agree with your post. Although I'm sure there are more than a few posters here who are willing to share your skewwed view of this game.

And certainly calling someone a "dick" is more than indicative of a mature poster eh.

Happy "sniping".

mazel my tov

you're missing the whole point! But who cares.... as long as the majority is against you?

Topic closed, at least on my behalf!

Cerebral, go get ureself a Half Life game and practice ure rocket launcher.
It's funny you'd think that the war was something like that, shotguns and rockets flying around like swarms of mosquitoes in a hot summer day... leave it. I have nothjing to say anymore. Guys like you just make the game developers do things like this http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif

I agree with you on the rocket fags aspect, but IMO the shotgun is a legit weapon in this game,and although I almost never use it I just wish it had been modeled correcly with a larger bullet spread pattern.

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Shotgun has more pellets in it than at the time period, shouldnt be as strong. I have somehow been killed bu shotgun from that middle building in Stalingrad down to the concrete MG nest....you think that is real, one shot!!! I am not looking for the game to be that real, limitations would work...I joined a server yesterday where all the axis were shotguns, they where just wasting everyone. Shotgun, the way it is now is just as bad and takes about as much skill to operate as a rocket. Hardest weapon to operate in game...SMG/Mauser cause it has a spread and mauser cause of the one shot then reload.....Rocket/Sniper/Shotty, in same category as I am concerned....TOO DAMN MANY.

i agree they suck big ass

I don't mind shotguns as whoever uses them are easy to kill, but I HATE people who use rockets launchers. Like, where are the tanks! I alway find people who use them are just trying to make up for a lack of skill.

Plus those dam rockets lag down the server. Of course it's not as bad as someone with a 56k joining, but still annoying.

Ok..who's next on the soapbox?

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Here's a site I recommend you all read...
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html

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if you ever play a good quake player in mohaa, and hes using a shotgun, you will be owned if you go inside a closed space, even if you get the jump on someone.
this one guy shot me 3 times with a bar, i still fired one shot killed him with shotgun.
haha, thats hilarious, he should have killed me, but no.

bazookas should be limited like they were in the war.
shotguns should be limited like they were in the war. the more standard weapons are way more fun to use anyway. garand being the funnest imo.

and guys, dont tell people to change their tactics and adapt, cause something is a part of the game. cheats were part of the game too, and how do you adapt to that?

<lamer> I MUST ADAPT I AM A ROBOT, REGARDLESS OF OBSURDITIES I MUST ADAPT.
WHAT IS BALANCED GAMEPLAY?
WAIT POSEYJ IS KILLING ME WITH SHOTGUN STILL, ERROR ERROR I AM LAMER.

if u think u can adapt to every situation, your sorely mistaken and you haven't played good enough people that take advantage of special weapons. you can't adapt to 5 dead eye 30 ping snipers in dm2. you can't adapt to 5 close quarter shotgun maniacs in dm1.

the arsenal needs balancing for the most enjoyable experience for the majority of people. END OF STORY

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They should just have limits for teams. Like per team there can be a ratio like this:

0 bazookas (unless there's a tank!):1 shotgun:1 Thompson:1 BAR:1 sniper:3 Garand...

maybe another Thompson or BAR...

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WHO CARES this game isnt meant to sim war its meant for people to go against eachother n kill eachother n clear objectives any MEANS necessary u think Patton said hey u germans stop using those panzers on my people or ill whine and quit or hess sayin hey dude dont nade my bunkers and leave the shotguns out u chickens ummm no u all whine so much bout no realism but think of that next time u do if u want realism play how u want or just play realism mods or make a geneva convention mod or something people who whine bout nades n shotguns are the real losers fucking babys

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oh yea u can adapt to every situation given time and a capable brain if u dont have the later just go to a nursing home and live also who said shotguns n bazookas were limited they were given to the troops who used them and were more capable with them and it depended on there postion in their squad in the platoon that was in the company in a platoon there was prob 8 shot gunners 4 bazookas given a 4 squad platoon if u want it like that join a clan squad whatever name u use in this game otherwise people will use what they want and u non adapting single cell organisms will have to deal with it or not play

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Why is Jesus the almighty father? Was I forgotten? The son of Christ!

ur a fuckin idiot kakarott. you have obviously never played with skilled players.
DUH i know what it feels like to slaughter newbies, you are disillusioned that you are good with every weapon against every weapon.

reality check dumbass, ive played with good players, and under certain circumstances, yes you can adapt, but others NO, so don't say you can adapt to everything. shotguns OWN everything inside no questions, unless the guy is a complete moron that has no twitch speed.

then second, THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE, stop escaping to those pathetic excuses, its a game, games are cool cause they have GOOD GAMEPLAY, no game will ever be truly realistic, but the ironic thing is, limiting special weapons IS REALISTIC DUMBASS.

when more cheats are found, and you complain, i will say ADAPT TO IT DUMBASS , OR STFU.

you are a child, that doesn't give a shit about good gameplay that has lasting value. so just do us a favor and leave, your not making anything better.

and i bet youd be a SWELL BETA TESTER, when developers want you to submit bugs and ideas for balanced gameplay, you would just say, STFU, EVERYONE SHOULD JUST ADAPT. THIS GAME IS FINE. but no mohaa is not fine, it needs some tweaking if it wants to be up to par with balanced games that are played by masses.

I agree. I have disabled the rockets on my server long time ago. Don't mind the shotgun though.

hey i got response for all the shotty and rocket hatters out there. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I play the game the way it was meant to be played. The shotgun takes great skill. U have to move in close to someone without being spotted or dieing. I prefer the SMG and i can take out shot gunners from half way accross the level and they have no defense. Sure the shotgun spreads but if the target is far away then it only does five damage. The rocket launcher is weapon that to use properly u would need alot of skill. It loses its accuracy the farther it travels and it is slow as shit. If someone could use it without killing themselves or other members of their team i would gladly like them on my squad. So to all the fags who feel the game doesnt have realism guess what ITS A FUCKIN GAME. So get a life and some skill u fags.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ManOfHonor:
hey i got response for all the shotty and rocket hatters out there. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I play the game the way it was meant to be played. The shotgun takes great skill. U have to move in close to someone without being spotted or dieing. I prefer the SMG and i can take out shot gunners from half way accross the level and they have no defense. Sure the shotgun spreads but if the target is far away then it only does five damage. The rocket launcher is weapon that to use properly u would need alot of skill. It loses its accuracy the farther it travels and it is slow as shit. If someone could use it without killing themselves or other members of their team i would gladly like them on my squad. So to all the fags who feel the game doesnt have realism guess what ITS A FUCKIN GAME. So get a life and some skill u fags.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you fucking idiot, you are totally off. i love the shotgun, and i kickass with it, it doesn't take much skill, and thats from the horses mouth you shithead.

now that arguement isn't to ban shotgunners altoghther numb nuts, its to limit the class, so their aren't 6 shotgunners on your ass, the shotgun is a special weapon and makes people think they are better then they really are.(you for example). just like snipers and bazookas they should be limited, cause the weapons weren't handed out to just anyone in ww2.

people like you don't read posts, they just dont have a fucking clue, try reading.

Like poseyj said, what we want to happen is that the weapons only be limited for historical accuracy. The weapons' stats should not be changed at all. Some of you people need to learn how to read.

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The problem with limiting them is that who would get them? First come first serve? In that case incompetant people could end up with them and not the player(s) who is best... or maybe that's a good thing

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Well After I posted yesterday I decided to get on a public server and see how it was. I was actually surprised at how many people were using the Rocket Launchers. In the beginning I was a little disoriented but then I started to figure them out. It actually got kinda fun runnin up on Zookas wit an MG or SMG, hehe, My kill ratio was 2/1 while theirs was more around 1/2. Also I found that most people using those weapons (not all) seemed to be low skilled noobs neway, probably just quake kiddies trying to get frags. The only problem I had was that it got kinda booring shooting the same rocket spammers all the time, If I used a weapon and consistant ly got shot up I would change my tactics, but these folks just kept eatin my lead. well anyway my point being that the weapons are not terribly unbalanced untill you get spammers that all choose the same weapon. You would hear complaints if everyone used the M1. I personally think that RTCW had it right when they made their MP, the class system makes it hard for spammers to be effective. except if you use those damn airstrikes lol.

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Im goin sniper huntin 2day............where is my KAR98K,

Well i've only just started to play MP tonight and i havent seen any mass usage of rockets and shotguns.
I wouldnt say the shotgun requires a large amount of skill to use either , if your able to point in the rough direction and press the mouse button at the right time then you'll most probably get the kill , where as with a mauser it's a different story , but if your a good shot then you can take on a shotgunner at close range and have a good chance of winning the fight.

But i think its wrong to say that people are stupid "n00bs" if they enjoy playing the game with a certain weapon.

Also i think its rather silly to complain when there's a lot of snipers since they normally stay away from the fighting and shoot from a longer range meaning they have to be a better skilled player to get the hit.

Further more someone said there should be limits on what kind of weapons people can take since rockets n shotgunners wernt in many numbers..... well i don't know about the shotgunners but there were a hell of a lot of Panzerschreck's in massive use during 1944-45.

I totaly agree.

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"well i don't know about the shotgunners but there were a hell of a lot of Panzerschreck's in massive use during 1944-45." dEtRiMeNtAl


Yes there were but thats cuz there were massive amounts of Shermans comming up from Normandy. The germans were obviously not running around in 1 man teams with a PZSchrek taking potshots at allied soldiers. No they were in 2 man teams suporting infantry against armor or covering Their Panzers Flanks. This doesnt mean that they never were shot at people Im sure they were. But if you were in the Whermacht and you knew that there were 100 shermans comming down the road and you had 5 tigers bhind you you wouldnt shoot your rockets at a lone infantry man.

The diference between this game and other FPS's is that it was based on history....................most others were all fiction thusly allowing for weapons like rockets. so with this in mind I think it proves the point of this thread (about the Rockets neway). If you need more Facts to support it I can post them but i have other things to do right now.


ohh yea I think its time for another one
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Im goin sniper huntin 2day............where is my KAR98K,

What if a mod was made for mortars. they are used against infantry and take more skill to aim than panzershreks.
i havnt seen mass usages of panzers or shotguns. i dont have a problem with whatever weapon anyone uses.
ive only played like 3 online games, and i like going the germans as they have alot of defending rather than attacking. my only complaint ive had is people whining about peoples tactics.
since i defend alot, a bunch of the german team where hanging around the objectives defending them, while 1 was running about complaining that he was doing all the work. now fair enough, it was a no-respawn game, and he scored the most. but why run around when you can let the enemy come to you? in saving private ryan did they defend the bridge or did they charge forward. hmmm tough one.
when the fat man has the tv remote does he get up and walk to the tv to change channel??

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Well, I agree partly with Cerebral... I play the game without any realism mods and I enjoy it just fine.

Man, is this a truly over-discussed topic, or what?

This is a game, skewed on realism but more on gameplay. It isn't supposed to be ultra realistic and it isn't ultra realistic.

Thank bloody God.

Those who wish to play realism, play it. Those who don't, don't.

Those who cannot hack being beaten by shotguns and rockets and grenades and snipers can complain all they like.

It's truly amazing. When was the last time you saw someone ask politely for a team to reduce the amount of rockets and shotguns or snipers that they have?

When was the last time you saw someone ask politely for someone to stop grenade spamming on the hunt?

Very rarely.

It is so very very sad that someone judges someone else just because they use a particular weapon in a particular way in a game.

Think back to when you first ever played a game online, or first ever played a game at all.

You were crap, too.

It's ok to state your opinions about your hatred of weapons in a game, but to judge the people who use them is so narrow-minded it beggars belief.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StosstruppenKompanie:
Hell, is this another Half Life game, or a WWII game? I'm just sick and tired of shotgunners and bazookers, this is somehow ruining the WWII feel, don't ya think?


Get a M1 Garand already, or a KAR 98k, or.. whatever...It seems only the sniper types complain about bazookas...... Well, it is all part of the misery of war. Grenades, shotguns, punk snipers, and people who just can't accept getting shot back.

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I dont mind when people use bazookas or shotguns at all..generally it doesn't give them an advantage with my playing style. I have a very "in your face" style, and by the time you realize I'm on you, it's already too late. In the case with bazooka dudes, I'm so close that if they kill me with the bazooka, they kill themself so the kill really doesn't "count."

If you're good enough, you shouldn't bitch about shottys or bazookas.

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I ask all the time for people to please change weapons since there are already 10 snipers on their team...I am met with STFU. Yah it really works let me tell you.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StosstruppenKompanie:
Nonsense to you, Cerebral Killerl did you ever think to go to battle in a war with yar 8-gauge rifle?
I wanted to see if are more people disgusted by some lame folks(not all of them, anyway) that somehow spoil the feeling of the game.
I reckon that single is much more fun than MP sometimes, 'cuz germans don't try to hit you with a panzer schreck , or worse try to jam the shotgun up ur mouth.
Just play "Stalingrad" with more than 8 people and see if you like to get blown away in those buildings.
"Gee, there's a weapon firing at the 2nd story! Why don't i get lame and fire up a bazooka round in there! yeah!!!"
[fssssssss....... boom!!!]
result: two fellas battling in a fair play on on one with garand, mauser, mp-40, BAR or whatever get blown away by a fegging chicken too lame to get there and look them in the eyes before pressing the trigger.
I have nothing against the weapons, as long as the bazooka/panzer schreck get their personnel damage diminuished and the shotgun a bigger spread radius.
Now what do you say about that?
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The British tried to "play fair" in the Revolutionary war. Look what it got them. If you don't think it is fair then upgrade your weapon. There is nothing fair about war. The idea is to take all chance away from the other guy. You know, like you chicken-snipers do from several blocks away. Everybody knows why you do that. It is so the victim doesn't see you until it is too late. Is that fair? Are you looking each other in the face then.......when you fire.......aiming through your scope? Get real (Not the mod) I mean real. War is kill the other guy and live long enough to go home. Even if it means mines, grenades, shotguns, snipers from treetops, or rockets. Big deal. If I can work my way down a street 4 oor 5 times and finally locate a sniper and kill him......then cool. I don't whine about all that. I use many weapons. I don't rule out rockets. No chance. I bet I got you in that bombed out town. All I saw was your smoke when you shot at someone else. You hadn't seen me. I happened to have a bazooka. Boom.............Argh! No more sniper. Did you know that at Dearlodge Prison, Montana there was a hostage situation. The Warden was held by at least two prisoners in a tower. They tried to nogotiate but ended it by firing a bazooka into the tower window. Everyone died, including the Warden. True story. Was that fair? Fair is for the Disney Channel.

In which case, Snake, you have every right to call them what you want.

Granted, asking politely won't get you far 90% of the time, but I said that to make my point that judging people before you know them just because they use a gun in a game that you don't like is narrow-minded.

Just as narrow-minded as those who reply 'STFU' when asked to do something politely.

If you asked me to stop using the SMG, I'd reply: 'Sorry, I prefer to use it... what weapon would you prefer I use?'.

Pity this isn't reflected in the majority of the public community.

I'm not completely innocent... I have said things like 'beach-camping lamer' or similar before, but only 'cos they aren't playing to the objective.

I do try not to, tho and I always try to ask them to help the team and play to the objective before I start any abuse.

For the most part tho I just shut up and let them get on with it. 'Camping lamers' rarely win any battles consistently.

Nor do teams who all use one type of weapon.

So this is a solution: DON'T BITCH ABOUT SHOOTIES OR ROCKETEERS IF YOU'RE NOT GOOD AT THE GAME. Ok, maybe i am not that good at the game, but how can someone judge someone else even if not knowing his/her playing style http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif

I wonder how many did think about MoH:AA like it would have been one of the most playable and a very tactical MP game.

I wonder about the percentage of the same people that were discouraged by the amount of "unrealistic" and over-the-board weapon usage, that turned what could have been "Saving-Private-Ryan-With-My-Friends" into another arcade-3d-shhot-'em-up, like Quake, Unreal ,etc.

I feel that bazookas and shotguns in the way they are modeled now are ruining something that would have been better....

That's he point of this thread: i feel(like any others, as proven) that i would have enjoyed more the game if the bazooka and te shotgun would have been restricted/modified somehow.

It's like.... anyone can play with a rocket launcher or shotgun.... it's much harder to play the Mauser for example....

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Zu decken! Angrif!...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS-Oberstgruppenführer:
I dont mind when people use bazookas or shotguns at all..generally it doesn't give them an advantage with my playing style. I have a very "in your face" style, and by the time you realize I'm on you, it's already too late. In the case with bazooka dudes, I'm so close that if they kill me with the bazooka, they kill themself so the kill really doesn't "count."

If you're good enough, you shouldn't bitch about shottys or bazookas.

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You are a idiot...enough said, that last line proves it. I dont have a problem taking these guys out....the problem is I dont want to have to kill 350 dudes useing the F***ing rocket launcher and shotgun over and over and over. You know how intense it would be to have a group of 6 people going up against another 6, one is waiting in ambush to attack the other as the pass downt the street....waiting....waiting....FIRE. While other guys on the server are holding off the other teams troop advancement.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Malphal:
[quote:fa465]Originally posted by StosstruppenKompanie:
Nonsense to you, Cerebral Killerl did you ever think to go to battle in a war with yar 8-gauge rifle?
I wanted to see if are more people disgusted by some lame folks(not all of them, anyway) that somehow spoil the feeling of the game.
I reckon that single is much more fun than MP sometimes, 'cuz germans don't try to hit you with a panzer schreck , or worse try to jam the shotgun up ur mouth.
Just play "Stalingrad" with more than 8 people and see if you like to get blown away in those buildings.
"Gee, there's a weapon firing at the 2nd story! Why don't i get lame and fire up a bazooka round in there! yeah!!!"
[fssssssss....... boom!!!]
result: two fellas battling in a fair play on on one with garand, mauser, mp-40, BAR or whatever get blown away by a fegging chicken too lame to get there and look them in the eyes before pressing the trigger.
I have nothing against the weapons, as long as the bazooka/panzer schreck get their personnel damage diminuished and the shotgun a bigger spread radius.
Now what do you say about that?
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The British tried to "play fair" in the Revolutionary war. Look what it got them. If you don't think it is fair then upgrade your weapon. There is nothing fair about war. The idea is to take all chance away from the other guy. You know, like you chicken-snipers do from several blocks away. Everybody knows why you do that. It is so the victim doesn't see you until it is too late. Is that fair? Are you looking each other in the face then.......when you fire.......aiming through your scope? Get real (Not the mod) I mean real. War is kill the other guy and live long enough to go home. Even if it means mines, grenades, shotguns, snipers from treetops, or rockets. Big deal. If I can work my way down a street 4 oor 5 times and finally locate a sniper and kill him......then cool. I don't whine about all that. I use many weapons. I don't rule out rockets. No chance. I bet I got you in that bombed out town. All I saw was your smoke when you shot at someone else. You hadn't seen me. I happened to have a bazooka. Boom.............Argh! No more sniper. Did you know that at Dearlodge Prison, Montana there was a hostage situation. The Warden was held by at least two prisoners in a tower. They tried to nogotiate but ended it by firing a bazooka into the tower window. Everyone died, including the Warden. True story. Was that fair? Fair is for the Disney Channel.

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well when more cheats come out, i dont want to hear you whining about it, cause remember games don't have to be fair.
adapt to it motherfucker.

do you know what good balanced gameplay is?
you need it to do competition like in quake, that is the funnest shit around, when your playing some good competition. this wouldn't be an issue, if 2015 had limited the guns to begin with, but whatever state the game is you morons will accept. shallow very shallow.