Have you been following this? (internets in dilemma)
 

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6081 ... &subj=zdnn

I honestly dont quite understand what is going on (got a small brain)

but is this 'net neutrality' a bad thing for us?

or does net neutrality = internet freedom and the House has rejected that, so the internet is screwed now?

or because they've rejected it, it's not going to happen now?

its been on and off since the early 90's. Net Neutrality is a good thing for us.

yeah... but what is it?! eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

but it says they've rejected it. so we're boned?



jin roh - http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html

read about it in wired a while back ... not too sure wtf its all about. something about our gov regulating / monitoring what we do on the internetweb.

It changes what the Internet is and makes it into something more like Cable TV where the local cable company decides which channels are on the box.

This is a pretty important issue as well. Here's some good commentary.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/09/newmar ... index.html

Money quote:

William L. Smith, the chief technology officer for Atlanta-based BellSouth Corp., recently told the Washington Post that BellSouth should, for example, be able to charge Yahoo Inc. for the opportunity to have its search site load faster than that of Google Inc. or vice versa. "If I go to the airport, I can buy a coach standby ticket or a first-class ticket," Smith said. "In the shipping business, I can get two-day air or six-day ground."

In my view, executives like Smith forget that they get the use of public resources, like the airwaves and public rights of way, on which they have built their businesses and made a lot of money. As such, they shouldn't be able to squeeze out some Web sites in favor of others. This would be a betrayal of the public trust.

Don't China do something like that?

This has the potential to limit free enterprise and fair competition in my opinion.

It is all money in these greedy fuckers pockets. AT&T, Verizon ect have just filled government officials pockets with cash, and have whisked them away.

Net Neutrality for Dummies, Written by Blase.

What is net neutrality?

Net Neutrality means excactly what it says, that the net is neutral and completly unbiased.

Without Net Neutrality, your ISPs could becomed biased towards certain sites. By becoming biased towards certain sites your ISP can allow you to access these sites at amazingly fast speeds.

But wouldn't that be a good thing?

Yes and no.

Yes because without Net Neutrality you can now access certain sites at blazing fast speeds.

However, it's overwhelmingly a bad thing because you wouldn't be able to access most sites at all.

Why wouldn't I be able to access certain sites?

Simply because those sites aren't paying the ISP money to allow people to access their sites.

Under the COPE act (which is the anti-net neutrality act) companies will now be able to pay ISPs to bias their site, which will allow people to access them quickly.

Sites that do not pay this money to give their sites the bandwidth required will be unable to compete with the sites that do, as most people would be unwilling to go to one site that takes 30 seconds to load when they can go to another site that serves the same function in 5 seconds.

Bottom line, who gets fucked over here?

Everyone on this forum would get fucked over, because without Net Neutrality the very exsistence of this forum is threatened. Sites and forums like GF1 face extinction as ISPs will reduce the bandwidth available to normal internet subscribers to access sites like this.

Who else get's fucked over? Small companies that sell their wares over the internet, as well as operators of independent web sites that operate in US.

Let's say Adelphia became the only ISP provider overnight. Now, at the moment they would have to allow equal rights to every website on the internet in terms of availablity to their internet subscribers. Take away Net Neutrality, and suddenly Adelphia can decide what they want you to see and hear while on the internet.

So in conclusion, Net Neutrality is the free speech of the internet, and it is being taken away very slowly by the people who connect you to the internet.

Am I allowed to say "I told you so" or will Tripper say that I'm a conspiracy nut again ? It's getting closer, friends.

It's going to happen. There's no way the government is going to stand up for Net Neutrality when they could be making millions off it with tax or something like that, not to mention the actual people voting for this are getting paid by ISP companies.

Free Internet was a novelty, it'll be just a little while longer until it's just like everything else. Regulated, taxed, controlled, censored, ectera ectera ectera.

Makes me wonder though, this net neutrality thing only applies to the US. I'm assuming that people in the rest of the world won't be as affected?

You're a conspiracy nut. biggrin:

OH NOES OMFG

biggrin: stupid: biggrin:

I sure hope so, however, America runs a majority of the world's servers.

cry:

September 11th, 2001.

this concept started as what blase mentioned but its now basically moved to internet providers giving bias to websites to connect to them via a fast connect. Machette gave a good analogy where cable companies choose what channels you have in a package. you cant just watch anything you want unless you pay more for it.

Lets say that suckbay throws a million bucks to comcast. You can now get to suckbay quickly and browse at your normal net speed.

however ebay didnt pay a million bucks. so if you are trying to access that site to sell something it would travel at 56k speeds.

also from that wiki document
Net neutrality has been instantiated into law in many countries, including the United Kingdom, South Korea, and Japan.

so our UK breathren already are under this type of law. I don't see them flipping shit.

Net neutrality is a good thing

http://www.itsournet.org/

i sent an email to both my senators and my congresswoman about this and i got a reply from one senator. its prolly a script, but i still think its cool that someone emailed me...

----- Original Message -----
From: <senator@feinstein.senate.gov>
To: <me@internet.net>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message





June 23, 2006


Mr. Robert Singrin
XXX Any Street
Anaheim, California 99999

Dear Mr. Singrin:

Thank you for writing to me about open access to the
Internet and network neutrality. I appreciate hearing from you.

I agree with the general principles of network neutrality
that owners of the networks that provide access to the Internet
should not control how consumers lawfully use that network and
should not be able to discriminate against content provider access
to that network.

As Congress debates changes to our telecommunications
laws this year, many different proposals have been offered
regarding network neutrality. The question arises whether or not
action is needed to ensure unfettered access to the Internet. I
believe any workable solution must balance the needs of the
network, service and information providers. Please know that
when legislation regarding network neutrality comes before the
Senate I will be sure to keep your specific views in mind.

Again, thank you for writing. If you should have any
comments or questions, I hope you will feel free to contact my
Washington, DC staff at (202) 224-3841.





Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

http://feinstein.senate.gov

Further information about my position on issues of concern to California and the Nation are available at my website
http://feinstein.senate.gov. You can also receive electronic e-mail updates by subscribing to my e-mail list at
http://feinstein.senate.gov/issue.html.


dance:

Gurantee that within 5-10 years the internet will be regulated and controlled by either corporations or the government.

i gurantee you that that'll majorly suck ass

I gurantee you seeing this happen will make many people kill themselves.

What does this mean for pron? cry: cry: cry:

heh wow. if this happens, it will mark the beginning of a series of unfortunate events. no lemony snicket jokes plzkthx.

Ive signed up 92bengals.com as part of the the coalition to save the internet


http://www.savetheinternet.com/

I contacted my senator (Dick Durbin). Lets see what he has to say about this issue.

hhahahah dick

[quote="Short Hand":f425b]It is all money in these greedy fuckers pockets. [/quote:f425b]
greedy fuckers = conservatives and their constituents

[quote=jujumantb]greedy fuckers = conservatives and their constituents[/quote:e29f4]

2 of the top 10 richest senators are Repubs...

I guarantee you that there are plenty of cable company owners that are not conservative...greed doesn't have political boundaries.

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arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggg!!!

[quote="Sicilian_Summers":268e9][/quote:268e9]

[quote="Sicilian_Summers":ee6d7][quote="Sicilian_Summers":ee6d7][/quote:ee6d7][/quote:ee6d7]free porn = gawn

[quote=snipes][quote="Sicilian_Summers":bbf59][/quote:bbf59]free porn = gawn[/quote:bbf59]

n00b warez will still be out there

My congressman supports the Nazi-fication of the web cuss: mad: cry:

http://www.savetheinternet.com

I sent letters to Arlen Specter and Rick Santorum. I wonder what kind of default response I'll get from those two happy:

"...said Rep. Ed Markey, the Massachusetts Democrat behind the Net neutrality amendment."

FFS, I HATE MASSACHUSETTS.

I'm writing an email to my congressman right now.

[quote=c312]2 of the top 10 richest senators are Repubs...

I guarantee you that there are plenty of cable company owners that are not conservative...greed doesn't have political boundaries.[/quote:a99fc]
that would make 8 likely democrats...

Oh wait, that was your point. Right, carry on