GAY - Z

why is that what you listen to is apparently the only good stuff out there?






i like the sig

best beat rider in the game...I don't see how people can';t like the guy...

Reasonable Doubt > *

YOU SHOULD BE SHOT.

i like his singles.

I listen to a broader spectrum of the genre. Jay-Z is just the usual exploiter of the genre who has fanboys like you that get totally offended when the truth is said, because they believe Shawn S Carter to be the "REELEST" cat out there.

People only call me wigger to get on my nerves, you're the real deal. You listen to what those "annoying, faggot wiggers" listen too.

Gay-Z's part of the reason why its still so hard to market decent rap music, because the idea that gangsta/pimp rap is the only way to sell records has been reinforced by idiot 10 year old white kids who keep on buying this shit to join the wigger army. Good rap IS marketable, judging by how many people I know or have met that are suprised when they hear it.

Because people listen to Jay-Z, Fat Joe, and all that shit because it's catchy. oOo:

If it's not that, then what is it? It surely isn't for the insight into the the human psyche.

"CAP DE BITCH NOT HAV MI MONY SPLIFFIN CRACKS TO THE GLOCK GAT YO MOMMA FUCKIN SHEEIT."

Don't worry, its alot of insight for the idiots that listen to it.

You're an actor, you're not who you're depicted to be
The street dreamin, all y'all niggas living through me
I gave you life when niggas was forgetting you emcee
I'm a legend, you should take a picture with me
You should be happy to be in my presence, I should charge you a fee

PYRO YOU ARE NOW WHITER THAN EVER.

john connor sported a public enemy shirt

Too bad that same statement applies to who said it....Noone in rap, that talks about keeping it real by gangbanging isn't necessarily keeping it real. Do you think Jay-Z and Nas still are or ever were actually drug dealers of mafiosos? Nope.

That kind of rap is like wrestling. It's fake as hell, nothing but an image is being sold.

I don't see how you can say he's the reason people can't get out.

The STATES owns hip-hip...and from talking to people from the states...people HATE Jay-Z and Nas now...so how can they be holding back the rest?

99% of Emcee's in the entire world wish they could drop an album like Reasonable Doubt or the Blueprint.

I don't see how having confidence is a bad thing...guy is cocky...honestly...he's probably the only one in rap music with the success to be cocky...guy went from nothing to president of def jam...pretty good if you ask me. Puffy is another one...but Puffy is only relevant cuz of biggie.

Not everything mainstream is terrible...the best msuic listeners...are the ones who can appreciate both the underground and mainstream...even if you decide to like more of one than another. People latch on to one or another and thats why mainstream doens't see underground come out...and the ignorance of backpackers is ALSO a factor in why there music is never being heard.

Fuck if your leg broke bitch, hop up on your good foot

Have you talked to the majority of american hiphop fans? Didn't think so. Theres a reason why 70% of Jay-Z's fanbase is WHITE. It's wiggers who bump his music because of the image. I don't even know why you're trying to argue this...it's pretty much accepted fact that Jay-Z is a joke to everyone actually in the industry of making hiphop music for the love of music.

The industry of making hiphop music for money is a whole other industry, not to mention a joke. It's like listening to a well-tailored advertisement for Clothes, Cars, Fine Liquor and Prostitutes. It's ridiculous watching you try to defend it.

Appreciating the production for situations like parties etc (where this kind of music flies fine and dandy) is one thing, but claiming his emceeing is something special? lmao.

That's fucking hilarious. You're totally full of shit...You expect me to believe this crap? The blueprint....? ROFLMFAO. The emceeing on that album was fucking pisspoor compared to Reasonable Doubt, and even that is barely a classic. I guarantee the only way that any emcee would agree with that statement is if you were talking about the money he made off of the albums, from sucking in the popular market which listens to such terrible music anyway.
The people that control what gets played go by a strict format, only giving true originality a chance if it is structured perfectly for the market. To do that, you have to tailor your music a certain way, which means either learning the ways of the industry, or becoming your record producer's bitch in terms of creative control.

Quality of emceeing simply doesn't sell rap anymore....I don't even know why they call it rap. Eminem was the last truely skilled emcee, and he only got popular because he was white, and it was interesting.

[quote="Jay-Z":01364]I don't see how having confidence is a bad thing...guy is cocky...honestly...he's probably the only one in rap music with the success to be cocky...guy went from nothing to president of def jam...pretty good if you ask me. Puffy is another one...but Puffy is only relevant cuz of biggie.[/quote:01364]

That's not confidence, that's arrogance. Look at the way it is exerted. hundreds of songs about how cool someone is gets old. Seriously appreciating music like that means respecting the rapper who is talking all this shit - That is a little hard to do when all they talk about is how good they are, or all the shit they have, and someone who will drop the music they actually love for the benefits of being a popular artist - Which is cash.

Have you noticed how its only popular rap that is arrogant? It's because it sells to the stupid kids who eat this shit up. People that want his image of mysogynistic drug-dealing arrogance.


You think I don't appreciate mainstream music? How the fuck do you think I know all this shit....? Some of my favourite albums are mainstream.

It's not a debate about underground v.s mainstream, its a debate about what has happened to mainstream in the last ten years....A.k.a, Its demise in terms of quality and originality of subject matter. Popular rap is fucking boring....and its a recruitment tool for stupid kids who get off on the rebellious nature of it. One big fucking advertisement.

Have you?

No, but I never made claims regarding the majority of american hiphop fans, did I? Bitch.

Its clear to me I have a far better grasp on the industry than Pyro does, simply because I read more and am more involved in the online community than he is, because I am what some would consider a freak when it comes to my interest in the genre and culture.

Oh, and by the way, Shut the fuck up, you obviously don't know fuck all about this so why get involved? Oh yeah, that's right because you're a rolly-polly dumb as fuck little cunt who plays grab-dick with your best boyfriend in the whole wide world for your daddy who takes pictures of it. Fucking pissmouth.

hahahaaha jebus

u must not be listening to lyrics correctly , cuz jay spits hot fire...im a break it down - how are the lyrics not great ?

1,rulers back-5/5 best intro ever
2.takeover-classic . one of the best disses ever .5/5
3. h to the izzo -( how in the hell is this song considered wack ) 5/5 in my book. I do this for my culture To let 'em know what a ninja look like, when a ninja in a roaster Show 'em how to move in a room full of vultures Industry shady it need to be taken over Label owners hate me I'm raisin the status quo up I'm overchargin ninjaz for what they did to the Cold Crush Pay us like you owe us for all the years that you hoed us We can talk, but money talks so talk mo' bucks Yeah... Hov' is back, life stories told through rap Ninjaz actin like I sold you crack Like I told you sell drugs; no, Hov' did that so hopefully you won't have to go through that I was raised in the pro-jects, roaches and rats Smokers out back, sellin they mama's sofa Lookouts on the corner, focused on the ave Ladies in the window, focused on the kinfolk Me under a lamp post, why I got my hand closed? Cracks in my palm, watchin the long arm of the law So you know I seen it all before I seen hoop dreams deflate like a true fiend's weight To try and to fail, the two things I hate Succeed in this rap game, the two things that's great H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A What else can I say about dude, I gets bu-sy

4.girls girls girls - this beat is fire and q-tip , biz markie and slick rick make the hook fire .. unless your gay , how can you not like this song(yes i know you cant relate to the lyrics but still aint no flaw in his skills on this song)...4/5

5. JIGGA that ninja - this is the only song i can understand someone not liking but its a party jam , and a decent one at that .3/5 "I am, killin 'em out there, they needin first aid Cause the boy got more 6's than first grade The crib got, killer views and square feet You have to film MTV Cribs for a week"

6. you dont know(classic track) 5/5 -some quotables "I'm from the streets where the hood could swallow a man, bullets'll follow a man There's so much coke that you could run the slalom" You are now lookin at one smart black boy Momma ain't raised no fool Put me anywhere on God's green earth, I'll triple my worth Mothersucker - I, will, not, lose I sell ice in the winter, I sell fire in hell I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well I was born to get cake, move on and switch states Cop the Coupe with the roof gone and switch plates Was born to dictate, never follow orders----- how is that not fire?

7.hola hovito- this is maybe the only other track i can see some not liking but thats it . 3.5/5 here are some quotables - if you dont like them ur wack. Hov' been about that dough since I was a day old Oh, push perrico if I need to for the rule of evil Was born in the belly that's the way the streets breed you One life to live - notice you get no sequel So I truly got to live this like my last movie Six oohie, jewels drippin, big toolie I ball for real, y'all ninjaz is Sam Bowie And with the third pick - I made the earth sick M.J., hem Jay, fade away perfect I rhyme sicker than every rhyme spitter Every crime ninja that rhyme or touch a mic because my mind's quicker I'm a eighty-eighter, nine-six to "Reasonable Doubt"

8.heart of the city- classic track -5/5 u already know how good this song is

9.never change .5/5 classic track and hands down my favorite hov song ever ....its deep and hov sounds so sincere and keeps it straight gutter on one of the best kanye beats ever .

10. song cry - great story and true .4/5

11. all i need...4/5 - it isnt even top 5 on the album

12. renegade featuring em - classic track - 5/5

13. momma loves me - hov gets deep - great track 4.5/5

14. lyrical exercise (probably the most underrated track on the album ) 4.5/5 ..hovs exercise and training metaphors are sick! - his double meanings are straight also . "jigga man is diesel when i lift the 8 up" I'm catching my second wind the second the first one end I am "focused man" And I'm not afraid of death And I'm going all out I circle the vultures in a van and I run the block (run) Pull up in a drop (pull up) Push up on my money (push up) I'm in great shape dunny I keep jacks jumping thirty six sets Like a personal trainer I teach coke to stretch I pump and rock sweats Y'all ain't ready to workout with the boy Your flow is brain on drugs Mines is rap on steroids

15. girls girls girls remix - classic track and better than the original imo got this smarty art chick to whom I pose this question I read a couple books to add to her soul's progression to put this in laymen's term, I gave her some knowledge she gave me, brains in return, she had to drop out of college knowin she does this homework, I give her in house tutoring in and out I'm movin through her student body union and ma, our time together is our time together, and uh our time apart is our time apart so love Jay with your mind girl and not your heart and some day I slow down, but for now I get around like the late Makiavelli or Perelli twenty inches or caine and O-dogs, stick up tape from menace

how is this not a classic? "do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it ?"

roflmao biggrin: this is the funniest thread to date.. happy:

GAY-Z.

Go listen to some rap thats actually worth listening to.

Is this actual Hip-Hop discussion? It sounds more like just Jay-Z bashing. And insulting people for having their own opinions, even if their opinions aren't that great.

I just moved the thread in here with a random name, because it didnt belong in a discussion about a sig. If the Mod's in here see it fit, they can change the topic.

who gives a fuck what somone listens to. whatever makes you happy and you enjoy your self be it jay-z, underground nigga flash mcgee or the fuckin spice girls

i got 99 problems but a bitch aint one

I'm not gonna get into the techical side of this debate. Bottom line is what Nyck states. Listen to what you like.

I listen to some current rap even though i was brought up on Run DMC/Public Enemy/Whodini/BDP....
My stepfather taught me something a long time ago. He told me not to get locked into a single genre or decade of tunes. He told me to expand myself because it's all good, no matter what it is. You know what?, he was right. I now listen to just about anything.....from metal, classical, rap, blues and so on.

the bottom line is tripper is a fucking douchebag that takes it up the ass by his boyfriend lover elfaggo on a daily basis.

Minus Kenny G.

rap sucks

There is a hip-hop club down the street from me. They have to stop having open mic nights because those posers keep shooting each other. Morons I tell ya.




beer: dance:

MIKE JONEEEESSS!


The one rap song i will admit that i do kind of like is the Ridin dirty song happy:


But groups like People Under The Stairs and Jurrasic 5 i can tolerate a little bit more than the shit thats out there.

big pimpin' we be spendin' cheese
we doin' big pimpin' up in nyc

those lyrics changed my life forever.

lol buck is just been dabbing up the blood from his vagina over this....You bitch more than pregnant women in kitchens...Its so funny how much you care about my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned, this conversation is long over - I made my point with my last huge post, and Shawn's post following is just recycling his same beliefs that Jay-Z is one of the best emcees out there, which I believe is ridiculous and is pretty much his personal preference (so therefore useless to argue with)....

Now random posters who have just come into this thread can harp on and on about just listening to what sounds good, but as soon as you start making comparisons and making up bullshit like shawn has then I won't back off in a debate when I disagree...Especially about hiphop, I have such strong feelings about the genre, I love it to pieces and I also hate the fucking shit out of what one side of it is doing to my generation.
I also dunno who you're all talking to when you're telling us to listen to more than one genre - because I know I, and I believe Shawn as well (But not Bucknub, who obviously doesn't do "the dig" for his music) listen to a wide variety of different genres. So don't even start with that.

P.s - Shawn, you should expand your tastes in hiphop, because those lyrics are really nothing special at all compared to other, more interesting stuff out there. That's really boring shit you posted in terms of quality of emceeing.

...and yes, M79, I was trying to have a discussion on what Jay-Z and others like him have done to hiphop, but it clearly went over Shawns head as he just rebuttled with a post regarding his weak lyrics and nothing to reply with regarding the guy's place in the genre.

GAY......Z. <- If that heats you up, you need to go to a clinic and tell them you have obsession issues. Buckface, I'm looking in your direction.

Lately I have been listening to Dead Prez. Almost every song they have is just so good... their song Hip Hop is KEY. Im seeing Jedi Mind Tricks, Outerspace, and RA the Rugged Man on September 22nd @ Higher Ground in Burlington VT (like 10 mins away from my college). Ill let you guys know how that goes!

this thread is gayer than nyck.

I see. Well, I guess I'll have a small word here. Jay-Z isn't really about Hip-Hop. He's more about Hip-Hop/Pop. He's an entertainer now, and has nothing really good to rap about. His songs are pretty catchy most of the time. But, I don't think there's much wrong with that. I mean, most popular musical genres have 'real' artists, and they have their entertainer type of artists. People want to be entertained as well, and I don't really see something wrong with that.

PROMISCUOUS TRIPPAH
WHEREVER YOU ARE
I'M ALL ALONE
AND IT'S YOU THAT I WANT!!!!!11111!!!



PS: People Under The Stairs - Acid Rain Drops


DL it if you care one drop about rap( which i dont, and i love this song)


Same goes for

Jurrasic 5 - Quality control

eazye rocks my world

I'm sick of the way people overrate popular rap. The only reason its popular is because the record label execs sell the IMAGE. The music is NOTHING special, by any means. The majority of these guys that listen to it haven't even heard of half of the good stuff out there that is ACTUALLY good.

I know so many people that say they're rap listeners, their favourite artists either Nas, Jay-Z, 50 cent etc, and yet I can't have a conversation about rap with them because they've never heard of any of the artists I listen too. They generally end up liking it because its so much more accesible than the bullshit pop rap which is confined to one subject matter which is criminal/violent/testerone/money fuelled rap.
Pop hiphop has been dominated by this same boring subject for about a decade now, and its fucking jumped the shark, its boring, unoriginal and needs a kick in the ass to get going without this played out image - Its gone on so far past its use-by date that its becoming less and less like actual music and more and more like wrestling. All this dissing, all this hating shit - Its all just a ploy to sell records, Jay-Z vs Nas was just a glorified Hollywood Hogan Vs Someotherpencilneckedgeek with a soundtrack, and all these people buy into it and go on and on about the quality of the music, and how awesome it is.

If 50% of the non-pop rap guys were given a chance they would sell just as well, if not far better, because the same guys I talk to that hate rap and just dont like it, are the same guys that get into alt/underground/backpacker rap or whatever you want to call it.

The state of rap at the moment is unlike any genre...Its like a fucking conspiracy. I'm sick of turning on the radio, the tv, going to stores and hearing this shit, and not hearing ONE good song out of the millions that there are out there. I'm also sick of the general public not even knowing about an entire genre of music that is overshadowed simply be the refusel of, god knows who, to accept SUB-GENRES in rap. Rock accepts them. Jazz accepts them. Every other genre has recognized sub-genres...But hiphop is hiphop, and rap is hiphop.
....And so apparently Jay-Z is the same kind of music as Jurassic 5? Or the same kind of music as Five Deez? Or People Under The Stairs? Or MF Doom? That's like saying The Beatles are the same as Cannibal Corpse. It has no other name accept RAP/HIPHOP. So you're to assume the ones that are the most popular are the best in the genre. So basically Jay-Z is the best in rap? Ridiculous. Absolute fucking bullshit.

phew....tripe rap/hiphop monthly hiphop schpeel version38392.124824

I really do agree with you tripper, there are a thousand sub-genres to rock that people listen to, plus their are radio stations dedicated to that sub-genre. I gurantee you if i went up to a hardcore "rap" lover, and i asked him if he knew who Jurassic 5, or People under the stairs, or MF Doom were,, they would probably look at me like i was a fucking retard.