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f'ing north korea. This stuff is making me nervous. Economic sanctions in the near future? Or just more warnings? Or on the other side of the spectrum, a full-blown invasion?

Why do you read/watch fox news?

Its clearly and obviously bias. Why would you subject yourself to something that is bias? Whether or not it is tailored to your audience. I've never understood this.

Ontopic: They've declared that in the situation of using them, god forbid, they would never be the first to do so.

I dunno, but if I were kim jong, and I had the U.S all over my shit, I'd pursue a nuclear weapons program. Just as a deterant to an invasion. It just seems like a smart move strategically against someone who is invasion-crazy and has outlined you as a potential next target.

i think you can take out the bias if you wanted to. Just take the jist of the story. North Korea wants to do some nuclear testing. There. That's the topic. Discuss.

1) Can you name a news outlet that isn't biased one way or the other. Learn what the bias is and treat the news accordingly.

2) You believe Kim Jong wouldn't use his weapons first. ed:

3) You would use nuclear weapons as a defence for invasion.

I'm not sure that you have thought these scenarios through.

I'm not sure that you have thought these scenarios through.

its the way your leaders would have you percieve it as, regardless of what news network you read it off, they way you react to it is the way they would have you react to news of Iraq and the Weapons of Mass Destructionz!



France tested nuclear weapons. Russia did. China did. USA did. UK did. So if North Korea wants to flex some muscles then they can go ahead and do so
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have you forgotten that Mr. Kim is a lunatic? He starves his own people. He steals from the UN and gives it to his soldiers. There are MANY government sponsored and horrible things going on by HIS word. Communism is awesome, aint it?

All those countries you've named ahve some sort of democratic body to them. Mr. Kim is a lunatic that wears platform shoes to appear taller.

China is real democratic these days.

maybe i should edit out the "all" in my statement. But I think you get the point.

Kim Jong Il is not all there, I dont trust him with nukes. We're pretty much out of range, but he could hit China or Japan. I say leave this one to our azn homies to deal with for now.

Your mobile phone's more dangerous than North Korea. You should worry about that.

lol, I can't believe you think the US has designs on invading north korea WITHOUT nuclear weapons that KJI needs them to prevent it. That's the furthest thing from the truth. If the US did half of the provoking shit to the north koreans as they do us, they would have re-invaded long ago.

Edit: FOX, CNN, all those news places are all pretty retarded when it comes to thing sort of thing. They're scaring the crap out of everyone in the US for the ratings.

exactly. The only reason the US (and they wouldn't do it alone, it would be a bunch of countries) would ever invade NK is because of KJI trying to get nukes, so claiming that he needs them as a deterrent to the US is kind of circular logic.

Really? The U.S invaded Iraq because of WMDs, and it turned out they didn't even have any. Whats so hard to believe about you guys doing the same thing to the Koreans? It probably looked to Kim Jong Il, like it looked to alot of people, that you guys just used WMDs as an excuse for an invasion, whether or not there is any truth there is irrelevant.
To someone as weird as Kim Jong Il, thats all you'd need to convince yourself that you are a potential next target. Nuclear weapons rid you off the list of countries that are likely to be invaded by americans.

Their pursuance of testing nuclear weapons is what is making everyone not like them. I don't buy the argument that they think that the US is randomly going to invade them so they decided to get nukes just in case.

The U.S has had pressure on North Korea for longer than they've had a threatening nuclear program, and for plenty of other reasons.

including? their egregious human rights violations? their quest to get nuclear weapons years ago?

I mean those are good reasons, but in what ways has the US threatened NK for anything other than their attempts to develop a nuclear weapon? I'm honestly asking for examples because if there are any, I'd love to hear about them, it might actually change my opinion.

Without nukes, North Korea are easily bullied around. With nukes they're not. If they get nukes as soon as possible, they skip what Iran is going through, or has just been through, and they definitely won't suffer an invasion like Iraq has been through.

Like I've been saying, in Kim Jong Il's brain, this is strategically sound....and if I were a nutbar dictator, I'd do the same thing.

KJI is delusional, the US isnt going to invade or should I say wasnt going to invade. Whats up with these whacked dictators? They all seem to think everyone is out to get them

ok, I guess you're right. someone as insane as him would probably not recognize the circular logic.

i think that him developing nuclear weapons is perfectly logical. he wants the US off his ass, and if he has his own set of bombs, thats a DETERRENT. if i were him, i would do the same thing.

but the US is only on his ass because he is trying to get the bomb, that's the whole circular logic of it all.

yes thats true, but look at it from an objective standpoint. if you want a more powerful nation to get off your case, you either bargain with him or become just as strong as him. N Korea has demands that we will not accept, and N Korea will not accept us/west telling him what to do. N Korea looks at the two other "axis of evil" nations and sees Iraq get invaded and sees Iran get a ton of international scrutiny. N Korea thinks "if i had nukes, they wouldnt be able to do shit."

solution for N Korea and Iran is to get nukes so that we leave them alone.

whether you feel safe with a nuclear iran or N Korea is irrelevant because you are American and have a subjective point of view. they are both doing what they think is necessary to avoid being pushed into a spot they dont want to be.

which also happens to create potential threats to international security.

I think Jim is just lonely.

yes thats true. i dont trust N Korea with nukes, but im not freaking out about him going on a rampage and launching bombs everywhere. I think N Korea wants nukes just to have them so they can flex their muscles and keep their autonomy. the US has not invaded or attacked a country with nuclear weapons.

That's not a very prudent statement, there are only 8 countries in the world with nuclear weapons, and we're either allies or neutral with them (except NK of course). And nukes haven't been around for very long.

W-wh-aa? What is this reffering to?

Trust me, if you knew about NK/US relations beginning after the war, you'd know that they've done enough bullying for the both of us.

I stand by my belief that we would be on the defensive in any future war between the two Koreas. Unless something absolutely terrible happened that we had no choice but to stop them, there'd be no way that we would invade.

I have water and gas masks in my basement, see you fuckers in 2001

I think the statement that we're only neutral with nuclear countries just because they have nukes isn't very strong, in my opinion. I mean, we're nuetral (pretty much allied) with Germany...yeah we fought them in two world wars, but things change. Sides change...basing that just off of nuclear weapons is a tad too shallow for me.

We don't have bad relations with China. We've been working with them alot for years about NK, plus our goals of nuclear proliferation and anti-terrorism are on the same level.

You're right about that - but if you notice, other than the UNSC resolutions, we really haven't been blowing the horn on NK. We've dealt with their shit for 50 years, and we're doing the exact same stuff we've been doing, since before they had a nuclear capability. Trust me. It's not about the nukes.

And we've been bullied on the international stage by them too. Research the USS Pueblo, the axe murder incident, or the interception of the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft. Those are some of the bigger ones.

well...if I was the leader of North Korea...id have nukes too...I wouldn't believe in hypocrisy...if the states can have em...so can we...

Big difference.

Kay.