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m00nraker 10-06-2007 10:06 AM

Vet cuts down american flag
 


I wish more people had the attitude that this guy has

Milla 10-06-2007 10:11 AM

I hate to sound dumb but what just happened?

geRV 10-06-2007 10:13 AM

The fuck was all that about? Did grizzly adams not like the fact that it was flying under the mexican flag or something?

Apparently that was the reason

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=57960


Fucking idiot.

Whatada 10-06-2007 10:24 AM

Lame.

TonyMontana 10-06-2007 10:25 AM

lol i would have sued the bastard for destruction of property. cant do shit like that it was probably set up.

geRV 10-06-2007 10:27 AM

did his little rant even make much sense?

Quote:

I took this flag down in honor of my country with … a knife from the United States Army. I'm a veteran, I'm not going to see this done to my country. If they want to fight us, then they need to be men, and they need to come and fight us. But I want somebody to fight me for this flag.

Who the fucks talking about fighting anyone? Because some store in reno flew a mexican flag above an american flag its a declaration of war or something? Think that guy needs to go back to the crackpipe.

Mr.Buttocks 10-06-2007 10:54 AM

The Mexicans are taking over.

Arkan 10-06-2007 11:59 AM

I didn't watch the video but....i have to agree. The American flag should be on top of all others while flown in this Country.

Arch 10-06-2007 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan (Post 885010)
I didn't watch the video but....i have to agree. The American flag should be on top of all others while flown in this Country.

agreed, But what this guy did is just plain retarded.

ninty 10-06-2007 01:19 PM

It's a huge sign of disrespect to fly any flag over another countrys flag. If one flag is on top it means basically that that country is the dominating force over the other country. They have to be on separate flag poles.

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegal immigrants in the US and many of them believe wholeheartedly that the Southern US belongs to mexico. You guys are being invaded and you're not doing anything about it. Good on the guy for doing that. Don't need that crap around. This is America not Mexico.

Arch 10-06-2007 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty (Post 885017)
There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegal immigrants in the US and many of them believe wholeheartedly that the Southern US belongs to mexico.

Negative.

ninty 10-06-2007 01:34 PM

Positive.

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_087231321.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=49482




redneck36567 10-06-2007 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyMontana (Post 885003)
lol i would have sued the bastard for destruction of property. cant do shit like that it was probably set up.


glad that people like you have no position in our government

Quote:

Originally Posted by geRV (Post 885006)
did his little rant even make much sense?




Who the fucks talking about fighting anyone? Because some store in reno flew a mexican flag above an american flag its a declaration of war or something? Think that guy needs to go back to the crackpipe.

he was most likely caught off guard by the camera, i'd say. As much as I hate to realize it, its very sad that most of our nations' citizens think the same way you do, which probably explains why we have the morons we do in our country.

[DAS REICH] Blitz 10-06-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by geRV (Post 885000)
grizzly adams

omg, funniest thing evar

geRV 10-06-2007 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [DAS REICH] Blitz (Post 885028)
omg, funniest thing evar


Shut yer hole blitz.

geRV 10-06-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by redneck36567 (Post 885027)


he was most likely caught off guard by the camera, i'd say. As much as I hate to realize it, its very sad that most of our nations' citizens think the same way you do, which probably explains why we have the morons we do in our country.


:rolleyes:

How many people in America do you think have any kind of clue that makes the flying of flags in a specific order illegal? Probably a couple of percent at most. To me it seems more childish than anything else "zomg we needs teh top spot!!!!!111".

I could understand old bumfluff there being pissed if the flag was upside down or something (international sign of distress) but just because it wasn't on top of the flag pole..well thats hardly enough to start spouting a little rant about.

m00nraker 10-06-2007 04:33 PM

It is disrespectful to the soldiers who have/are fighting a war, if nothing else.

geRV 10-06-2007 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m00nraker (Post 885033)
It is disrespectful to the soldiers who have/are fighting a war, if nothing else.


How exactly? Because one little store in reno arranged the flags to their liking?

[DAS REICH] Blitz 10-06-2007 05:35 PM

edit: nvm... where are the img tags??

Whatada 10-06-2007 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redneck36567 (Post 885027)
glad that people like you have no position in our government



he was most likely caught off guard by the camera, i'd say. As much as I hate to realize it, its very sad that most of our nations' citizens think the same way you do, which probably explains why we have the morons we do in our country.

conservative hick is not surprising.


it's a flag above a fucking store. nobody gives a shit that this guy cut it down. in fact, if it hadn't been filmed, nobody would have even heard about it. what he did isn't symbolism, it's just pointless. It's people like you that make it so mildly intelligent people in this country get shoved aside by BING BONG

the midwest. fucking bumpkin.

p.s:
stealing our jobs, etc.

Arch 10-06-2007 07:31 PM

rofl ninty, sorry my good man, those stories can't prove your statement. I'm just talking from my experience in the latino side brotha

c312 10-06-2007 11:21 PM

There are lots of regulations in the US regarding flag etiquette ie: the US flag has to fly above all others displayed, the US flag can't be flown in the ran, the flag should not be allowed to be draped over people or buildings, and the flag should not be allowed to touch the ground, etc. People in the armed forces are especially sensitive to adhering to these regulations and respecting the etiquette involved. My dad was in the Navy and he almost always takes the flag down if he knows it is going to rain. It's just a thing of respect, especially for vets, therefore I can understand why he did what he did. I probably would have asked the owner to fix it first though.

Arkan 10-07-2007 09:20 AM

c312 is correct.

Flying any flag above the American flag is a sign of disrespect. It's a fact that can't be disputed. Next time you see a decorated officer (whether it be a Soldier, Cop, or whatever) Take a look at their breast bars. You'll see on everyone, the American flag breast bar is always at the top most spot. If the decorated person was of Italian descent, you'd see the Italian breast bar below the American breast bar.

There's an Irish guy on my block who flies the Irish flag.......just below the American flag as it should.

There's really no need to argue anymore about flag etiquette. It's either one way or the other so, you guys can stop with that argument.
If you want to debate the guys actions, then go ahead. Don't toss it aside as "wtf, it's no big deal" because it really is a big deal. Stand in Arlington National Cemetery, look around and ponder that for awhile.

elstatec 10-07-2007 09:48 AM

what a twat

c312 10-07-2007 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geRV (Post 885031)
:rolleyes:

How many people in America do you think have any kind of clue that makes the flying of flags in a specific order illegal? Probably a couple of percent at most.

How would you even know, Gerv? How in the world could you even guess at that? I can gaurantee it is a lot more than a couple percent.

ninty 10-07-2007 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch (Post 885040)
rofl ninty, sorry my good man, those stories can't prove your statement. I'm just talking from my experience in the latino side brotha

all you have to do is look up the history of immigration riots by mexicans in the southern US.

Tripper 10-07-2007 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c312 (Post 885080)
How would you even know, Gerv? How in the world could you even guess at that? I can gaurantee it is a lot more than a couple percent.


I agree with him. Look at the statistics for how many people cant find specific countries on a world map. THAT is general knowledge, and yet its only a fraction of people that know - Flag ettiquete? How could more than a fraction of the population possibily know that.

I think you expect too much from people if you think they should just know about flag ettiquete.
Anyone that gets angry/offended by an average citizen not knowing this is a little too patriotic and/or touchy, and should just remember that not everybody is from the military, and it is most certainly not an everyday fact - Because It didnt even occur to me, and i'm no idiot - I also know flags are treated with respect - But this particular rule I had no idea existed.

The destructive guy in the video needs to learn to control his emotions.

geRV 10-07-2007 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c312 (Post 885080)
How would you even know, Gerv? How in the world could you even guess at that? I can gaurantee it is a lot more than a couple percent.


Because its more than likely something most people would have no knowledge of. Last i checked milla is in the armed forces and even he didn't see what the fuss was about in the video.

And i can guarantee its about a couple of percent using the same means that you can "gaurantee" its more than that. I know about the rules regarding flags not touching the ground with the exception of marks of respect as that kind of thing is observed by many countries around the world, a book i have about flags around the world makes note of it, it doesn't however make note of flags having to be flown in specific order, with the obvious exception of signal flags on ships.

Or how about you ask yourself this, how many people do you know who are well versed in law in general let alone laws regarding flags? Should i await the typical bs reponse to this? Probably something along the lines of people reading several law books a night just in case this scenario were to come up?

m00nraker 10-07-2007 05:28 PM

I kinda figured it was common knowledge - Ive known since I was a little kid.

Then again, being raised in a police/military family probably has something to do with it.

Airborne Butters 10-07-2007 05:46 PM

I'm sure Mexicans would be fine us going to their cities and flying American flags above Mexican flags. Of course, most of them are trying to jump a fence...oh well.

Tripper 10-07-2007 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m00nraker (Post 885089)
I kinda figured it was common knowledge - Ive known since I was a little kid.

Then again, being raised in a police/military family probably has something to do with it.


Its not common knowledge at all.

Madmartagen 10-07-2007 07:42 PM

flag "rules" arent common knowledge and i think its ok because its just a fucking flag, not the holy grail. Ninty, I dont see what those links are trying to prove, I'm half mexican and there isnt a movement i know of to take back the south west. People just come here to get jobs and make a living. There were some riots and peaceful demonstrations, but Immigration isnt the only issue and its not only just Latinos rioting over here. You're going to see all kinds of banners and signs at these rallys and the media or some web blogger will always post the craziest and far fetched ideas out there. Im not saying that there inst anyone who wants the SW returned to Mexico, there probably are some people out there, but its not going to happen and the US is not in danger of losing its territory. There are alot of voices out there who get the smallest attention.

i understand that some people will get offended seeing a foreign flag flying above our national flag, but to walk up and cut down someone else's property and for that person to get a bunch of kudos is stupid. If someone told me how to run my store or how i can display anything, i would tell them to shove off. this guy should have went to the store and talked to him in person first and assumed that maybe the guy didnt know flag etiquette. things probably would have been settled w/o the uproar.

Arkan 10-07-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madmartagen (Post 885094)
flag "rules" arent common knowledge and i think its ok because its just a fucking flag, not the holy grail. Ninty, I dont see what those links are trying to prove, I'm half mexican and there isnt a movement i know of to take back the south west. People just come here to get jobs and make a living. There were some riots and peaceful demonstrations, but Immigration isnt the only issue and its not only just Latinos rioting over here. You're going to see all kinds of banners and signs at these rallys and the media or some web blogger will always post the craziest and far fetched ideas out there. Im not saying that there inst anyone who wants the SW returned to Mexico, there probably are some people out there, but its not going to happen and the US is not in danger of losing its territory. There are alot of voices out there who get the smallest attention.

i understand that some people will get offended seeing a foreign flag flying above our national flag, but to walk up and cut down someone else's property and for that person to get a bunch of kudos is stupid. If someone told me how to run my store or how i can display anything, i would tell them to shove off. this guy should have went to the store and talked to him in person first and assumed that maybe the guy didnt know flag etiquette. things probably would have been settled w/o the uproar.


Blah, blah, blah........

You know why you have those "rights"? It's because the people of this country died fighting for them. Perhaps it's time you respected them.



.....here's some food for thought....

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers
allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no
special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted
in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they
are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no
food
stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount
equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT
options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property.
That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign
flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his
policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down
and sent straight to jail.

Harsh, you say? The above laws belong to the immigration laws of
MEXICO!

c312 10-07-2007 09:24 PM

Let's go ask 100 people in the street about flag etiquette. More than 2 will know it, probably a good number more will know it.

I just don't see how someone from Ireland can make a broad generalized assertion about how many Americans would know American regulations. You don't see me asserting what percentage of Irish families ate potatoes last night, because the fact is I can't substantiate that in any way, just as you can't substantiate your statement about a foreign concept in a foreign country. You can't make assertions about cultural knowledge or practices if you haven't spent substantial time in them.

geRV 10-07-2007 10:11 PM

A flags a fucking flag no matter what way you slice it, there are rules that govern flags that are in law but dont get enforced, for example having lettering on flags you have to get a form of pemission to do this..im willing to bet all those flags with football teams names on i see week in week out on tv have none of those permissions.

Fact of the matter is the video was blown totally out of proportion, one old guy gets angsty and everyones jumping on the bandwagon. Would you say its a safe bet to assume cops had driven past that store numerous times and never said diddily shit about the flag..cops you know the people that ENFORCE the law? Nah clearly that idea is waaaay too out there to be feasible.

And it has FUCK all to do with what country you come from, the vast majority of people are very ignornant about laws and what constitutes a law being broken or not. Theres so many technicalities in law its not suprising that most people draw a blank on the subject.

strvs 10-07-2007 10:14 PM

flags are for idiots

Arkan 10-07-2007 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strvs (Post 885108)
flags are for idiots

Then you must have one draped around your neck.

strvs 10-07-2007 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan (Post 885109)
Then you must have one draped around your neck.

oh, i get it

wait

could you explain it just to make sure?

Madmartagen 10-07-2007 10:37 PM

these arguments are precisely what goes on when you have this kind of attention on something as insignificant as this case. did anyone even bother to interview the bar owner and find out what his intent was? all you have are interviews of pissed off people w/o any knowledge of what was going on. This guy is talking about fighting like a man and mexicans taking over america and all he has to base this on is someone calling a radio station and says that a mexican flag is flying higher than the US flag.

and ffs save the 'respect the veterans' remark for the next anti war, canada vs america, bush vs clinton thread. i was in the navy for 4 years and i dont see how this case remotely hints at veterans being disrespected. whether this man meant to insult americans oroubt just preferred to have a mexican flag on top, its his right to decorate his store the way he wants to. just because you dont like what he has on his property, it doesnt give you any justification to tear it down. infringing on someones rights, whether the intent was nationalistic or criminal, is just as much disrespectful to veterans as flying a foreign flag higher than the US flag with the sole purpose of insulting Americans.

I doubt this guy meant to insult anyone, but it got picked up by the media and now everyone has something to say about it.

c312 10-08-2007 01:55 AM

^You're right, he shouldn't have taken the action he did, like I said before he should have talked to the store owner if he was so upset about it.


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