I know its not your choice, but doesnt EA let you put in any input, to the game your making? Because if you do, you should state that there can be like a a la soldier of fortune and have realist violence or just old school medal of honor style.

Oh and just wondering are you guys at 2015 intrested in making a game called "Victoria Cross"
Just kidding people dont get all bitchy. amd if your wondering what that is its the canadian version basically the highest awarded medal in the canadian forces.

also, always drink canadian beer, its way better then that crap you guys call "beer"

you should have a choice while installing it.

like in sof

I agree w/Ludacris. Also, Ludacris and Ludacris have good points too http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

man you like pissing people off but its funny as hell, also I just watched saving private ryan the other day, we need that blood, especially when the ramp drops and all the guys get hit in the helmets the blood flys in the air, not allot of gore that would make it comicle like SOF but just like maybe a exit wound then a blood spray when you hit someguy in the head and maybe some pretty nasty shrapnel stuff, hehe, I know its up to ea but why dont you tell them your gunna put blood in there anyways, or not but ask them if we could do this or that to satisfy their core players........

what i call "beer" is guiness...which owns any beer made in canada.

I heard that stuff is sweet (cant drink yet)

BEER IS GOOD EH! WELL IT IS FROM CANADA!!

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"For the burned cities and villages; for the deaths of our children and our mothers; for the torture and humiliation of our people; I swear revenge upon the enemy… I swear that I would rather die in battle with the enemy then surrender myself my people and my country to the Fascist invaders. Blood for blood! Death for death!" - Russian War Oath

the best canadian beer is Elsinore beer

calm down you drunks =)

Just give me a Heineken, any time any day! ;D

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Just gimme something with a 40% alcohol concentration...

Yes we do have input. We have a great colaborative relationship with EA and things have been going great working out the details in the gameplay and story and such. We've actually been given a lot of freedom on how to make the game. Primarily EA / DWI just check things over to make sure we're true to the MoH universe and style, and being as historically accurate as we can while making the game fun.

But alas, there are some issues that we don't have control over such as the blood/gore issue. Ratings boards are a lot tougher on games now since all the incidents in the news these past few years. Rogue Spear has blood, you kill terrorists (see the bullet holes in their heads even), but they have a teen rating. Things have to be a bit stricter now where this is concerned, and part of me agrees with it. When I was driving the demo, Sinbad the comedian was in one of the showings and did a short interview afterwards (whether it aired anywhere I dunno). He had his kid with him, and he literally said that our game was a history lesson, and that if he were a school teacher he'd just show his students the game and say, 'that's how it was almost'. He also commented on liking it not having any blood because this way he has no problem letting his kid play it. Those were some very kind words to hear, and very flattering that someone thought that of what we've made so far. I also think this is an important statement on the whole blood/gore issue. Which brings me to my next point.

Now this issue has been discussed left, right, front, and center. To put an end to it, there will be no blood, no matter how much you ask, it's not up to us, and the goal here is to get a teen rating. I've seen comments on message boards calling us sell outs and that this is now going to be a kiddie game because of this. Well, ask the people that saw the E3 demo if they think this is going to be a kiddie game after what they saw. And sell-out??!?! What the hell does that mean?!? You mean we're a sell-out for trying to reach a broader market?? Sorry for actually wanting to sell some copies and make some money. I mean, I don't think these people realise that if the game doesn't sell well, you're odds of making another game decrease. If you don't get good sales, you also don't make much money to help keep your company alive. Pardon me, and I think I speak for everybody here, I'd like to stay in this industry and make as many kick-ass games as I can because that's what I love to do. To do that you have to sell, to sell well, you have to reach a broader market. If that's being a sell-out, then I guess I'm a sell out. Does that mean the game's gonna suck and be just for kiddies? Hell NO! We're going to make the game as fun as we can for all audiencies. There's plenty of gameplay and ambience and interaction that you will (hopefully) get sucked into the game and play through it wanting more. If people have a blast playing through the game, and get sucked into the character and the environment, then we've done our jobs.

Anyways, enough of my ranting :)

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Benson
benson@2015.com

"We don't introduce or cause bugs in the game, we merely find and bring to light the inadequacies within the code."
-regarding level designers

Also SoF 2 is coming out soon, so that should be enough violence for both games put together, hehe.

great reply elmagoo


btw i dont think rogue spear is famous for its blood effects . the blood effects look like paint ball bursts if you ask me . still a great game though

ok subject dropped, you tell sinbad I said hi? http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif I dont really need blood seeing those new screenshots I think its cool enough how it is dark and all. Why would you wanna change the color of the dust when the dust effect is real? Its very stupid, and I dont wanna get on elmagoo's bad side so lets all drop the subject.

Hey after this game is done how about a ww1 game? I dont think is a fps for ww1 that would be very cool and innovative, probally a good way to get lots of money to. Just an idea so you guys can become the wargamings kings or somethen like that.

Which brings me to MY point... which everyone has ignored.

You want blood !?! JUST FUKN CHANGE THE DUST PARTICLE COLOR FROM GREY TO RED !

Easy ! Patches WILL come out implementing this feature.. trust me.

You'll have all the fun you want with the red "dust"..

Am I not supposed to have a "PC compatible" slogan next to my name once I reach 30 posts ? lol

oh well.

Success !

I am now part of the l33t pc folks.
Werd..

What the hell, who in there right mind would call you guys sellouts ?? Damn, thats almost as immature as saying Canada was the hardest fighting country in the war http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif. Kids out there have gotta realise money is the root of all things. I'm a sellout to the crowd I used to hang with, but atleast I'm doing something with my life and not being a bum. To call someone a sellout just because they work hard on something and in return get cash for it is so unbelievably crap it's not funny. This game is not gonna suck just because theres no blood. 2015 have said there
will be no blood for ages now, so whats wrong with this picture ?? why are people still going on about it ?? just let it go, a game doesnt have to be filled with blood and gore to be good. Yes this is a war game, yes war is violent, but this is a game, not reality (although it's based on reality). I've just seen the new pics on the official site and if that higgins boat with a round landing in it and sending those soldiers into the air isnt violent enough then something is wrong with you. The thought of people getting blown to bits doesnt really appeal to me, I'm joining the Army and it's the last thing I wanna think about, why is it such a selling point for games now ?? Body dismemberment isnt all that fun from what I've seen and watching Saving Private Ryan is enough for me. And by the way Beer is crap, even though I dont drink anymore, bourbon was much better, and drink it straight, not with coke, it's much better. And now I'm really pissed, my copy of Medal of Honor for PSX is scratched and wont work anymore http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/mad.gif ...
Sorry for long post, had to get that off my chest.

[This message has been edited by BallisticWookie (edited June 07, 2001).]

And yeah as Solidus said, if ya want blood some guy will make a patch solving all your problems. And it looks as though there will be Game editors and the like, on the official site they have links to game editors, mods, levels, so on so forth, so blood may not be out of the question. I swing both ways on this subject, blood or no blood it will be an awesome game.

[This message has been edited by BallisticWookie (edited June 07, 2001).]

Since you're trying to reach a broader market, thats why you should have an option for ATLEAST some blood for the adults. I can seriously tell you that I have lost most of my interest in this game, because of the knowledge that there won't be blood or gore. Now I'm not some crazed bloodthirsty maniac, but I'm looking for realism. When I first heard about this game, I thought it was going to be a realistic WWII game, but w/out any blood or gore, I don't see how the word realistic can even fit in there. Calling a WAR GAME w/out any blood or gore "realistic" is just false advertising. As I said in a previous post, that's what war IS, blood and gore. This game looked so promising, and now to hear this, it's just very dissapointing http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by -DJK- (edited June 08, 2001).]

Then I guess you won't get a chance to enjoy a good game.

Personally I can't see how lack of blood and gore would be the only issues from preventing me from buying a game? I mean, if we were to....say......make the germans turn into flower pots and building blocks when they die, then yeah I could consider your point. But when you shoot a German in the head, his head still jerks back, his body falls limp to the floor, just like in real life. The behavior is exactly as if they got shot there. The only difference is you don't see his brains go splattering against the wall behind him. If that's a big hang-up for you, and you feel that you have to see blood in order to make the game enjoyable (ignoring the fun gameplay and feel of the game that will still be there), then I guess you won't be playing MOHAA.

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Benson
benson@2015.com

"We don't introduce or cause bugs in the game, we merely find and bring to light the inadequacies within the code."
-regarding level designers

"The only difference is you don't see his brains go splattering against the wall behind him. If that's a big hang-up for you, and you feel that you have to see blood in order to make the game enjoyable..."

As I said, I'm looking for realism. Shooting someone in the head in a game that claims to be realistic should be quite messy. I don't see how you can say it's based off Saving Private Ryan, a movie known for it's realistic war scenes, and then decide that there will be no blood at all. I mean, is there something I'm missing here?? I'd think anyone who would buy a game based off a movie like that, would be expecting a realistic WWII experence, realistic, being w/blood and gore. If you want to reach a wider audience, then have an option to turn off blood and gore, but for God's sake, don't leave it out all togther!

hey djk, zip it , they are not going to put blood in and its final so now your just annoying everyone by continuing the forgotten or wished to be forgotten subject

Who are YOU to tell me to zip it??

DJK there is no blood . wait till you play it and see how it plays before you pass judgement on the game . maybe the realistic movements of the people getting shot , will make up for it .

thank you polaris, sorry for bein like that djk

not buying a game because it has no blood or gore is like not buying a music cd because it doesn't have the "explicit lyrics" sticker

You know...thats the problems with some Americans these days....DJK and others have the time to sit around and critisize 2015 about how the game should be realistic and bloody. But there just saying " I want a game that portrays real war." Thats a bunch a bull. I know that War is bloody and eveyone else does too... but our society can be sick sometimes and say if there is no blood, the game is not going to be fun. I am a civil war reenactor and everytime someone goes down blood does not shoot out of there chest.......does that mean we are not accurate...heck no. We just don't need the blood.

Instead of sitting around wasting time thinking how there should be blood or not go help the poor or something... or at least post something that has never been discussed.

what side do ya like to fight for?

"not buying a game because it has no blood or gore is like not buying a music cd because it doesn't have the "explicit lyrics" sticker"

Uh, no. It's more like not buying it because a WWII game, based on Saving Private Ryan, that has absolutely no blood or gore at all is flat out unrealistic, and since I look for realism in my PC games, MOH:AA most likely won't be on my list. Games like SOF2 and Global Operations WILL. Those companys arn't afraid of portraying realistic combat. Obviously, EA and 2015 ARE. Yes, that was a bit harsh, but can you deny it?

"You know...thats the problems with some Americans these days....DJK and others have the time to sit around and critisize 2015 about how the game should be realistic and bloody. But there just saying " I want a game that portrays real war." Thats a bunch a bull. I know that War is bloody and eveyone else does too... but our society can be sick sometimes and say if there is no blood, the game is not going to be fun."

Wow, that was sorta hard to follow. What I got out of it, is you're telling me that I shouldn't have free time to say that there should be blood, and wanting a game that portrays real combat is BS? Also, I'm sick for saying I don't think it'll be fun if it doesn't have blood? That about right?
Wow Japple, good thing you're around to tell me what I can and cannot want in a game.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Uh, no. It's more like not buying it because a WWII game, based on Saving Private Ryan<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


and who said this game is based on Saving Private Ryan ? provide a link plz .

Isn't it? I know I read that Saving Private Ryan had something to do w/it. They DEFINATELY said something about it atleast being influenced by it, if not somewhat based on it. And even if it had nothing to do w/it, there should still be blood in something that claims to be a realistic WWII game.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>DEFINATELY said something about it atleast being influenced by it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


some of the game is influenced by SPR ,at least thats what some previews have stated . which is totally different then being "based on" the movie . but anyway , if its really hurting you that this game wount be too graphic for you then there's really nothing i can say , except for "wait and see what happens" . elmagoo posted in this thread that it is final and that literally you are barking up the wrong tree .


[This message has been edited by Polaris (edited June 08, 2001).]

Huh? I don't understand what my having the time to complain has to do w/it. And I don't see why we should drop it. As far as I'm concerned, the decision to not include blood is a BIG mistake, and if I want to complain about it, I will. Sometimes, the reason games are put out lacking features they should have is because there are people who will buy it anyways. If everyone said, "I'm not going to buy this game if there is no blood", I'll bet you they would put blood in it real quick. And if they did, would you NOT like it? Unless you are actually AGAINST blood, I don't see what you have against those who want it. What I'm asking for can only improve the game. I really don't see what the problem is w/demanding the best.

just shut up the topic was over before and your just fighting for something you'll never get so I suggest we all just ignore djk

wow settle down here people, its a game. dont worrynabout it, you guys take things way to seriously for something thats only a game. go do something fun and forget about it, like get drunk or something.

I am humored at all of you :-)

1- There will be NO BLOOD / GORE in the game.

2- I recommend that those who want their blood simply modify the dust color : when you register a shot, red puff will come from the suit (or wherever the shot hit) and you'll be happy knowing the game is infinitly more realistic that way lol.

And please, no "changing the dust color is stupid" comments either : this will be one of the simplest modifications possible for those "needing" blood in MOH in order to enjoy it..

let the flaming begin ?

/me opens his umbrella and kneels under it Wile e. Coyote style