the new-age "shotgun"
 

ok, i know all of u are sick to death of the lame weapon comments, but i have to get this off my chest. i used to enjoy playing the realism modded servers because after all, they are realistic. but, it seems to me that the stg is taking over where the shotgun left off in the classic mode. all of these lame ass people that have a ton of kills think they rule the world when using an stg, when in fact they require no skill. the quickest rate of fire on the game combined with rifle-like accuracy is to me more frustrating than the shotgun ever was. just as with the shotgun, they charge right at u and 2 hits from that gun and your gone. (flashback to shotgunner running at me without a care in the world) i personally find it more challenging to use a rifle, which adds to the game for me. but when 10 out of 12 axis players rush in with stg's and kill everyone in under 2 minutes, that to me is so weak. challenge yourself people, grab something different for a change. i know im goin to get get flamed for this subject, but it is something i had to rant about. i can hear it already: "just keep your distance." "learn to aim better." etc, etc, etc. say what u will, but i am sure some of you agree with me. im out

At this moent in time, I am living for the simple thrill of the Axis K98 Rifle kill.

Try this weapon... you may lose 10 to 15 times till you get the good upclose shot, but when you do...... all is right in the game world again.

It,s the great mellow groove thang in life.

K98 or bust :)

Doggie

Yes, they can be a pain, especially the people who camp with them. However, there are few things more satisfying than nailing a campng STGer with a M1. freak:

Lets face it, if I'm a german I'll take the best the game has to offer weapon-wise. Myself I prefer the Browning...and allies.

lets face it (whats true lol)

If the Stg was that accurate in WWII, we would have lost lol. The Stg was slow rate of fire, and was as accurate as a mg42 on a bipod. The guns totaly gay, but I have to admit we cant just say this towards the axis, the bar and stg are designed the same way, just stg faster rate of fire. The bar has same accuracy as the Stg. My friend on our server running Realism always uses it. For example, We were playing Destroyed village. On the side where the sherman tank is sitting, I was standing way at the end of the road nearest the bush's and house where there are steps. He was standing way by the building which allows you to get on top the roof and then under ground (as some who know what im talk about, not saying which building but if you know what im talking about you know which one it is). He shot one bullet and killed me. Hit me in the head, and thats just not possible. I think someone needs to make a mod like Crow kings realism but make the bar and stg less accurate, the Stg slower rate of fire.

But thats just my 2 cents.

yeah you suck. stop bitching...if people are kicking your ass with an STG...and ur using a rifle for "the challenge" thats your fault. go use the BAR yah bastard. hake:

The only problem I have with the STG are those people who, even though the allies are outnumbered 8-3, will still join the axis because all they use is the STG.

i think i'm the only person in the world who prefers the MP40 over the STG. more easily controlable and if you know how to use it can make some pretty decent ranged shots (which of course results in "FUCK YOU CHEATER")

[quote="Mr. Tulip":410c9]The only problem I have with the STG are those people who, even though the allies are outnumbered 8-3, will still join the axis because all they use is the STG.[/quote:410c9]

Aint that the truth...

I m saying this...from a long time...
STG44 is overpowered into CKR Realism and CPR Realism mods...
Into Standart MoHAA...STG44 is set 27 damage value/1 shot....
In CKR is 80........and into CPR is set to 85 !!!!

These all values..refers to upper torso shot only....
MoHAA engine increase these values if u hit the head...decrease for all other body areas......
72 damage...is the minum value....that is incresed to 100...if headshot....
So u can figure that 80 CKR and 85 CPR values......goes over 100 damage about head-shots situation !
Add STG44 accuracy and that damn ROF....and now u can complain why 90% Axis use STG44........
With CKR maker...Crown King.....i took original CKR Realism...and i heavily tweaked it.....for no so extreme values.......
I called it PHR Realism.....
There is a txt file in it....that explain its genesis.....

1 Example: STG44 is set to 42 damage.......
Something in middle Original MoHAA and CKR value....
All other weapons...are tweaked too.......
Almost u can react if hitted...in PHR Realism.....
In CKR if 1-2 shots reach u....u die.....
I can complain about this from snipers and rifles....or zookas....but not from smg's and mg's.......
Usually....forcing the Realism...kill gameplay.....
Some sort of balance....i think better.....
In CKR...u don t need to take the target into iron sight.....
Cos 1-2 shots are enough !
U see........u fire 1-2 shots...u win.......
Where is the skill ???????
If i want this.....i go play UT-Istangib !!!!

PS: In opposite...Bar is set at 62....against CKR 104.....
Accuracy about almost all weapons...in PHR are like in CKR.....

I don pretend u like it...but almost u can read the txt inside........

http://www.alliedassault.com/pafiledb/p ... ile&id=820

A new version....PHR 1.1 is ready...with some tweaks....after long public PHR runninh on NGI server......

I agree with the original post. STG44 in CKR simply replaces the shotgun with an even more powerful, more accurate and longer range weapon, with the fastest rate of fire.

It then goes and replaces the shotgun with the M1 which is just as bad, except not so much on the rate of fire and lesser clip.

Again, the BAR is an insanely powerful gun.

As are the two SMGs.

But, it's across the board and it does offer a completely different (and more realistic) game, so it's very popular.

I just think that anyone who says they prefer CKR because it reduces the shotgun's power is living on a different planet.

It's like that Jedi mod... That is the biggest self-ironic mod I've ever seen. It actually cusses you for being a 'lame rocket fag' (or words to that effect) when it alters every other gun to be way, way, way more powerful than the rocket was in the first place, lol.

You couldn't make it up, really.

(disclaimer: This post was not written to flame CKR. I don't like playing it but let's face it, it's bloody popular and it will keep the game alive longer, so kudos to Crow King)

Maybe a BAR mod needs to be implemented to gain a close par with the STG-44?

The BAR's been around since the end of the 1st world war. Over the years it saw improvements. Maybe these should be reflected in a MOD? I think EA went with the original specs...lol

In CKR it would seem to me that the BAR fires no more than 3 rounds per second, if even that high. The BAR model M1918A2 could fire a lot faster than that at approximately 500-650 rounds per second. That's darned near 10 bullets a second.

Source: http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm

Also of interest: http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/arms.htm

omg finally a good post....i would much rather every one start using shotguns than stg's i hate those things man.....all the n00b's use them and they think they are getting good kills when they do when really its just a gun that makes it 10 times more easier to kill pple....more thna the shottie i think and strik0r your not alone i love the mp40 its either a sniper or the mp or the tommy for my screw em all lol well any way peace and dont go to the 280d server they are a bunch of pussies :)
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FUss...
 

The point of the game is to kill people correct? The fact is you still have to aim the STG and hit the person with it. This seems to be a skill that alot of people lack.I use the STG because it is the best option. When playing allies I use the BAR....again the best option in my opinion. What it boils down to is one's style of play. Calling someone a n00b becuase they use the STG is a little ridiculous. I don't think people will be happy until everyone uses the pistol whip. Its the only way people won't call each other n00bs.

my biggest problem with the STG is it hurts my fucking ears!

I think what he's really trying to say is that with realism, the STG is an extremely dangerous weapon.

eatitbey ur an idiot.......2 things your a n00b b/c you will soon find out that smg's are better than the stg by a long shot and #2 you copyed that little saying at the end....the light at the end it was used by someone else on aa.com u little copy and paster lol i till think stg's are gay as hell but the bar is cool

Actually what makes the Supergewehr so powerful is the overly high ROF, if you miss your first shot at any range, the next shot comes very soon, unlike with a BAR which you must aim like a rifle or the next shot takes too long to come.

It's fun to see supergewehr n00bs switch to allies and then they suck without that gun, or when I steal a supergewehr and start owning them

Bah, we're going to have to get kills in MP by throwing boiled potatoes at each other before this topic ever goes away. It's as old as the game itself.

Stop worrying about what the other guys are using and play your game, for chrissakes. SHEESH!

If it's in the game, use it. If it's modded to be different than the original, adjust to it. And if you're not down with that...you know what to do.


Zone

Oh, I could "deal with it" and be a machinegun whore too, but I like the challenge of fighting with a rifle and actually having to AIM.

that's why the BaHs, myself, and a few other non-BaHs like to do rifle battles on their server, and kick whoever don't cooperate.

Stryker, my post wasn't directed at you, man. It was in response to the original post.

I'm far from a machinegunner. I always use the M1. If I HAVE to play on the Axis side, 9 times out of 10 I'll use the Mauser.

I agree that the rifles add a great challenge and a sense of satisfaction to the game. I wish more people would give them a try, instead of being so pre-occupied with being at the top of the kills list.


Zone

Yoy know what really chaps me, is that the shotgun sucks sooooo bad in realism. All the other weapons have been upgraded, but not the shotgun. No one likes the shotty because it was a one shot kill weapon. In realism, all guns are just about one shot kill guns, but you have to be standing on the guys head to kill him w one shot from the shotty.

Strik0r - I am with you on the mp40. That gun does the rock and roll like no other.

OK Zoner, sorry for nearly blowing up then.

I agree with the original post. My disdain for the STG causes my blood to boil. Mainly that there are people who will ONLY use it. They never ever ever play as allies or use any other weapon. I've sort of gotten over it now though. These are people who think it's most important to be at the top of the kills list (even at the expense of team play in objective maps) and couldn't handle the shame of being in the middle of the pack. At this point I just don't complain... just do my best to have fun. I get bored if I use MG's or SMG's.

It was funny this one time on Crow King's server

me and a few of the guys (BaHs, Timberwolf, Pancho Villa) decided to do a pistol war on Southern France, not everyone was cooperating and I defeated a couple of Supergewehr whores with a colt.
I can just imagine how angry they were biggrin:

I do agree with cleet. Its a shame that a person sticks to one gun and one gun only. I challenege anyone to pick up an STG, and play me while im holding a KAR. This game is a game of accuracy, all that really matters. I've been embarassed by people holding a colt, we all have. oOo:

Snipeymagoo I resent being called a n00b. First off i've been playing this game for over 6 months and have accumulated a modicum of skill. Secondly I was just stating my opinion. That's what this forum is for. I'm always down for an all rifles battle and I'll happily use an SMG. Hell i've even played all pistol whip battles that were some of the most fun I've ever had. But in a clan match i'm reaching for whatever kills the other person the fastest and most effective...and as for my sig I put it in my profile when I first signed up and didn't go looking through the site.

I can't see the point of evangelizing a single weapon. Rockets piss me off because they're so unskilled, which is why we don't allow them on our server.

A lot of good points made - especially "if the games modded, adjust to it." That's part of what makes a good player great - you have to adjust. Different levels need different tactics, and I even switch weapons depending on who is playing and what weapons they are using.

I like the shotgun in Stalingrad, SMG in Destroyed Village ( used to snipe but I get more kills faster ), BAR on Remagen, KAR98 on Destroyed Village, STG on French Village.

At the end of the day, whoever said it earlier was entirely correct - the point of the game is to kill people, and pick whatever works for you. To me ( and the rest of the clan ) the enjoyment comes in winning, whatever it takes ( bar cheating ). I appreciate some people just enjoy playing the game for its own sake, which is cool for them, but sadly I'm a hyper competitive nut who hates losing to anyone ever.

I think one part of hating shotguns comes down to ping time. The tenth of a second advantage from being on the LAN can be all you need - you've dropped some poor sod before the game registers their shot - I've been on the receiving end of that, and I know how frustrating it can be.

Zoner, most people's complaints about CKR stems not from 'newbie STG whores' but from the imbalance it brings to the game. In stock the shotgun tends to be over-used by a lot of players and, as has been pointed out, it's cancerous. You get one 'shotty whore' you got tons.

This severely ruins the game for other people and you can either adapt, as you say, or leave. The thing is, as players get better, they start to adapt much more and slowly, but surely, the shotgun isn't the weapon of choice, it's a weapon of situation.

People tend to only use it when it's warrented (V2 clan matches, perhaps) and it is a great weapon if used in moderation.

This is because the stock game is balanced (to an extent) making the shotgun only 100% effective on certain maps and in certain situations.

What CKR does to the STG is make it 100% effective in any situation on any map. You get the cancerous syndrome a lot more and a lot more frequently.

The shotgun is useable by both teams, the STG (unless picked up) only by the Axis. This leads to disruptive team balance and, eventually, ends up ruining the game at some time of the night.

I have to leave CKR servers much more frequently due to over-population of STGs (and as such un-even teams) than I ever have to leave stock servers due to too many shotguns.

At any rate, even if you suffer for one map from a shotgun you are sure to get your own back on the next map (Think South France, followed by Destroyed Village).

So, I naturally tend to enjoy non CKR much more, as I tend to spend more time playing and less time connecting.

This is my opinion, my preference. I am fully aware that CKR is more popular than stock (statistically, at least - the various polls on this site would suggest that). I also realise why.

I just don't agree with it and only play it when I feel it's needed (ie I wish to play you guys).

I don't consider anyone who uses an STG as a newbie, even if they use it exclusively. I just hate having to constantly change server to find a battle that is even.

That's a good point, it does tend to spread rapidly, but you're right as well in that it generally only happens ( IMHO ) on Stalingrad - anywhere else the shotgun is generally outclassed....although I do sometimes clear up with it on Algiers.

I agree as well about CKR making things worse in many ways, but there's realism and realism - if you really took 3 hits from any weapon, you're gonna lose all interest in the proceedings - I mean, a sucking chest wound is nature's way of telling you to slow down oOo:

As long as the server name tells you whether its modded and what the mods are, at least you know up front and you can avoid scraggy matches. Personally I find lag more annoying than any weaponry mods.

Kewl Ydiss...good post, man.

I never had a problem with stock MOHAA. The only reason why I like CKR better is because my M1 has more realistic stopping power. I guess I don't see the increase in power for the StG44 because I get killed quite often regardless! heh heh

I'm sure a tweak to the StG44 would solve a lot of these gripes. As long as they don't touch my M1, I'll be happy. biggrin:


Zone