SPR Questions
 

Ok i just finished watching SPR again and i noticed some things wrong this time.

1. The scene where Jackson dies, right before that he fires like 8 shots... the springfield can only fire 5 rounds.

2. Remember awhile ago when we disputed if that german guy at the end was the same person. I think he was because when he killed Mellish, Mellish was saying his name and telling him to stop. How could he have known his name if he never meet him??

3. This was said already but when Miller ask about a 3 star hotel, that system of grading hotels was not invented yet.

You have too much time on your hands. hake:

It was NOT the same german. I can't be arsed maknig more dvd grabs, i did a while back and it ws obvious it wasn't the same one. Also mellish was NOT saying his name. IN the movie you don;t get to know the germans name, afaik in the credits hes referred to as steamboat wilie, because thats one of his lines in the movie.

Looking back at spr it wasn't really that good of a film in terms of historical accuracey. The final battle just oozed spielbergs hate for the germans. The ss divisions were the best trained soldiers of the war Period. However in the final battle spielberg shows them repeatedly walking into 30 cal machine gun fire even when theyre basically loking right at the fucking machine gun.

In german tactics any observation areas would be destroyed by tankfire before the infantry would enter an enemy occupied town. In other words jacksons belltower woulda been blown to shit before the tanks moved in but again this is left for jackson to do his miracle working of firing 9 rounds in a row out of a rifle that holds 5 rounds max.

Mg-42 was the backbone of german infantry tactics and was always the first thing to be set up however in the final battle we see 1 mg-42 and some morons just running around with it instead of deploying it somewhere and putting some fire on the americans.


The whole movie just smacked of bullshit propoganda. The "evil" germans and the "righteous" americans. Spielberg oughta not bother making any more war movies unless he's gonna do it properly and not make the german army and the SS look like a pack of retards that didn't have a clue wtf they were doing.

So you're saying that they should have killed off more goodguys and less krauts???

OK you sonofabitch at City Park 1700 hours colt .45s at 20 paces, prepare to die!

Of anyone should have been killed more it was the krauts, it's called an AMBUSH, ask anyone who was in 'Nam how hard it was to get out of an AMBUSH. those gaynerdiers should have been taken apart.

Has there ever been any objective WWII movies made? I'd like to see one that hasnt taken the side of the allies or axis.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":68661]So you're saying that they should have killed off more goodguys and less krauts???

OK you sonofabitch at City Park 1700 hours colt .45s at 20 paces, prepare to die!

Of anyone should have been killed more it was the krauts, it's called an AMBUSH, ask anyone who was in 'Nam how hard it was to get out of an AMBUSH. those gaynerdiers should have been taken apart.[/quote:68661]

Where exactly did i say they shoulda killed more "good guys".

It might be an ambush but as i said even the belltower would have been blown apart by the german tanks before entering the town as it could have been used as an obversation\sniper tower.

And nam is a hell of a lot different from ww2. Different weapons different environment nam was probably a helluva lot easier to set ambushes up in than europe in ww2 because of the surroundings.

And you're trying to tell me realisticaly 50+ assault troops with 2 tiger tanks and a couple of panther tanks could have been taken out like that by about 10 rangers with limited ammo. Umm.....no. hake:

DON'T SWEAR IN THE THREAD TOPIC !!!! M16: M16: mad: mad:

Yeah because some of us might not know what fuck means, I mean that would be just corrupting our minds further

1st it was more than 10 Rangers (best trained elite us army unit BTW) and 101st Paras (also not exactly green recruits)

2nd a partially rubbelized city is a great place to set up an ambush, remember that, unlike the Americans, most of the Germans were armed with inferior bolt-action rifles, an MG-42 being carried has no advantage over a .30 cal that is already set up.
The Tiger tank is designed for open country and is not a city tank (according to the worlds greatest tanker: Oddball).

What Panther tanks??? all I saw was two Tigers and a couple of open-topped SPs. BTW there is no such thing as a "Panzer-tank" (this would mean armoured tank in German) eek:

The Longest Day covers both sides pretty well and it doesn't portray Jerry as demons like most of the less historic more actiony movies.

im stupid

that german guy in the end is a ss but the guy in the radar field is just a comon soldier

and he didnt kill the translator becasue he saw that the translator was scared to death and allowed him to live

[quote="aNti hEro":2016d]plus where is his hat people?? wheres his hat??[/quote:2016d]

lol his hat probably fell off while he was fighting

The German Guy AKA Steamboat Willie who killed Wade at the Radar Station is [b]NOT thye same guy who kills Mellish!

I remember having this discussion when I first came here in Dec or Jan.

Go and watch the movie. The two are wearing totally different clothing and their faces look nothing alike.

Like germ said, there are rules to war. The German did not shoot Upham because he was sitting in the stairway crying with his hands off his weapon. You don't go around killing everyone. There are still rules. That was a honorable thing to do.

after all these explanations. it's clear that steamboat man and ss man are two different people.

True True.

Just like Batman and superman are two different man although I would butt rape superman with a griptonite dildo anyitme.

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yup, they are two different germans, the guy who killed mellish had a camo smock on, and waffen ss collar tabs, steamboat willy had heer collar tabs and was wearing a zeltbahn shelter quarter. Jackson probably did reload but it got cut out, it's called "montaging" where the post production guys edit out some parts for whatever reason. 2 tigers, one jagdpanzer iv, one marder 3 and a half track along with 50 or so waffen ss troops vs. 5 rangers, 1 chicken shit translator, and about 10 airborne pathfinders with bazookas, stickybombs, molotovs, and two .30cal mmgs could hold their own against all those krauts. One reason the tanks didn't open up on the ville could have been because of shortage of ammo. The waffen ss troops are tough, but during that stage of the war training programs and conpetent officers were in high demand.

ahh i was mixed up i thought u guys were talking about the german soilder when he walks down the steps and passes by translator man. sorry for my stupidety

Ok maybe they are two different people. My mistake. And did anyone else get really pissed off at the part where the ss guy kills mellish. I dont know why but that part really got to me. And remember before that guy enters the room, i thought mellish's garand was jammed, so how did he fire another shot? And why did they yell Uphams name and not say Thunder?

[quote="Bean 2":30d07]Ok maybe they are two different people. My mistake. And did anyone else get really pissed off at the part where the ss guy kills mellish. I dont know why but that part really got to me. And remember before that guy enters the room, i thought mellish's garand was jammed, so how did he fire another shot? And why did they yell Uphams name and not say Thunder?[/quote:30d07]

He yelled uphams name because they were expecting him.

All upham had to do was walk up the damn stairs, peek his head around the corner, take out his knife and stab the fuckin kraut or put his gun to his head and fuckin shoot him. That pissed me off. But I can see where hes coming from.

its the same fuc%&*@ person! How can u guys not see it? Why would he call upham's name before he is shot by him? And dont you see the irony that was set by spielberg? Miller lets him go but he is later shot by him. It plays with the movie. Its the same person! why would the camera focuse so much on him then?? Why would the camera give you good shots of his face? so you can see its the same person!

but then again the ss guy might of killed both of them if that happened lol

I don;t think he could haev killed both. He had trouble killing Melish.

And if Upham snuck up on him while the SS was killing melish he cold have just shot him from around the corner at the right time.

oh i see so the ss guy changed uniform went out side changed his face and then confronted upham

ITS NOT THE SAME PERSON!, there face are different, the guy they captured is Werhmacht and the guy who killed mellish was SS.

i was joking, becuase upham was soo scared he might of tripped or soemhting shot him self in the head or something lol

uniform=classic movie error
Face=its the same damn face!

Your about the only one here who thinks he is one and the same hake: I have gone through those seens frame by frame, they are two different people.

Interestedviewer= blind, and confused.

but one's fatter and one's skinniner hehe

Anybody want an ice-cream?

Do you want me to go find the damn script so u can see?????? M16:

Cant admit your wrong eh?

wooooooooo me me me find it for me

find the script yet? or is it not what you expected?

well after unsuccesfully finding a spr script due to "The page cannot be found" i indulged in a Alfred Hitchcock Script Collection cry: and then i found this page
http://www.un-official.com/SPR/SPRAbout.html#faq <----- biggrin: u may have won the battle but you havent won the war!!!! eatthis:

shut up!





angel:

You shut up!!
Muahaha!! evil:

[quote:541b5]Originally posted by Interestedviewer, who is actually quite confused as to what we're talking about:
its the same fuc%&*@ person! How can u guys not see it? Why would he call upham's name before he is shot by him? And dont you see the irony that was set by spielberg? Miller lets him go but he is later shot by him. It plays with the movie. Its the same person! why would the camera focuse so much on him then?? Why would the camera give you good shots of his face? so you can see its the same person! [/quote:541b5]
They are talking about the German soldier who killed Mellish, not Miller, with the knife and then walked past Upham on the staircase. You're thinking of the part where the Kraut shoots Miller. So, as you can now see... they are right, it's not the same guy. Also, if you really take a look at it, there's about 30+ airborne guys there, and they are fairly well supplied, they just said that the mortars may as well be spitwads, even if they had the tubes, if the Krauts rolled up on them with tanks.

Well, thats the last time i jump into something without actually knowing what "it" is. biggrin: