campers
 

I have a comment about campers that I'm sure I'll get alot of complaints about but here it goes.I don't have any problem with campers as so many others do. That is a part of war. Does anybody think that snipers in real war run around up and down streets shooting? Of course not. I know it's just a game but everyone wants it as realistic as possible, right. I for one don't camp unless I have a sniper rifle but its a great tactic to lay and wait for your enemy to come to you and then cut him in half with a machine gun especially if there is two or more. Let em run past you and then blast away or toss a nade. I'm sure i'll get some flak about this but please respond their might be something I'm unaware of about why players hate campers so much. The only thing I can think of is they hate-em so much is because they just don't like getting killed by someone playing smart and they are running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

you'll get used to it after awhile.

I agree with Max, campers don't bother me. I mean, most campers don't kill me. You either see them out of the corner of your eye, or they start shooting you, and you turn and kill them. Most of the good players don't camp, so campers usually are easy to kill.

Only campers I have a problem with are Offensive Campers on OBJ. Nothing worse than some goof sitting in the underground tunnel at the bridge as axis.

Re: campers
 

fire2: bigzooka: M16: i dont really care for campers bc they rarely hit u and then u just know where they r

In MOH or any type of WWII FPS. Camping is a very good and wise tactics. Like someone mentioned the only time it bugs me is when my team is attacking an obj. and someone from our team is camping on the other side of the map away from our obj.

I don't think you will get many people from this board complaining about your opinion on this topic.

Am I hearing right????
 

"That is a part of war. ."
"Camping is a very good and wise tactics..."

Yeah, why not make the game so boring we all run out & buy 1942 to try something new.

I don't have a problem with sniping, ambushes etc etc but real camping makes the game about interesting as watching paint dry.

For average players like me camping is a real problem - folks just tend to move on play something else if the game is getting 'camped to death'. Sniping is far too easy in such small game areas anyway.....

Henry

I camp and i see other people running around and they wonder why they have 40 or more deaths but 10 kills?? Where as i have more kills less deaths

Well done on making the game interesting for all the other players. Keep it up & see what happens to numbers.....

I guess this would hold true if we were playing
Quake

So I can not see how a real tactic for playing a tactical shoot is going to hurt MOH.

You can always head over to the main page and download the new anti-camping mod.

Did you see the mod scorpio's working on, making a player detonate if he camps? heh Dammit, I want my finished Tank Mod!!!

I want the tank mod, train mod and port. MG all in one big freakin map.

way to go scorp!

u have to admit it suck when ur playing a public server on southern france.. u open a door then ur blowen away by a shotgun.

not really considering i then know their exact position to toss a grenade, shove a rocket up their ass or pistol whip.

Is it really camping unless you are the last person in or an offensive player in objective? I'm sorry Henry, but the last thing I'm worried about when I play is keeping you interested. Hold on let me try...nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....errrrrrg, nope I really couldn't care less.
If someone cared about my enjoyment, there wouldn't be shottie brigades, or scores of jackholes running aroung doing the funky chicken.
I just derive what enjoyment I can from what is available, and when it's not fun, I don't play.
I don't expect people to run about wildly just because I want to play sooner than later. I have to admit that I enjoy watching, (does that make me a voyeur), the more skilled players make use of cover, fields of fire, and good sight angles to make clean kills. I find I learn from them. While running about like an idjit may be entertaining for some, it's not very sound tactically, and it's not very educational. I personally put it in the same category as leaners, it's not right or wrong, it's just stooooopid.

YA I PRETTY SURE THAT PRIEST GUY IS RIGHT
CAMPERS ARE SO FRUSTERATING IN OBJ.
LIKE THE THE HUNT WHERE THEY SIT IN ONE OF THE BLOWN UP BUILDINGS AND AXIS IS LOOKIN FOR THEM AND FF ISNT ON SO U CANT KILL THEM NEXT ROUND FOR MAKIN U WAIT 5 MINUTES
IT MAY BE A TATIC OR WHATEVER U WANT TO CALL IT BUT ITS A GAME, NOT A REAL WAR

Learn some patience. In OBJ if someone is camping in a building then they are being smart - don't just go run into an ambush, especially when you'll have to wait 5 minutes to play again. Ever think about why you're waiting and they're not?

However, if someone is at spawn waiting for every to kill eachother, that's a different story. It's cowardly and unnecessary delay of game. Or, if someone camps somewhere no one will ever suspect and they just sit there until the last minute - again, unnecessary delay of game.

If you don't like waiting for the next round, then don't get killed so quickly. If you're not sure how to avoid being killed, then use some patience and watch those campers you're so quick to judge. Yes, MOH is just a game, but so is chess and poker - both are games that require strategy. Some times this may mean taking a little longer to get the objective.

Nuff said.

[quote="Captain_McCusker"]Ever think about why you're waiting and they're not?
quote]

LOL - Because I have NO patience. oOo: And they must be cheating or hiding or something. Maybe they are just scared, yeah, thats it. biggrin:

Thanks for that Priest - a very geeky attitude.

You may not care but EA Games does. They want to widest possible audience....those are the laws of commerce...

(Also, can I just add a 'get lost wanker' - I feel better now.

H

biggrin: Geeky, that's a new. Wanker I've been called before. Henry, if calling me names makes you feel better, have at it friend and be glad it comes so cheap. You seemed to miss the part of my post that said that what you think means little or nothing to me. I just gave my opinion just like anyone else. Agree or disagree, means nothing to anyone but you, just like my opinion is generally important to no one but me. happy:
Play or don't play, lean or don't lean, camp or don't camp. I'll find somewhere else to play if I don't like the scene. It just isn't that big a deal.
As for EA Games catering to the masses... we'll just see whether there's leaning in the expansion, or maybe a new anti-camping mod for you. But with it or without, people will play, whether whining about it or not.

CAMPERS
 

theres 2 kinds of players in this game.smart players who use cover...AND THE REST ARE CALLED TARGETS.!!!!..BUTCHER

The worst camper is the kind that camp in front of the door with a bazooka on an objective map, you open the door and BOOM you're both dead, that's a pretty stupid strategy.

The second most annoying campers are axis on Omaha with realism, because they bunch up until there are 20 STG whores sitting at the top of the staris in the tunnel where the left and right tunnel meet.

Hello Priest,

Name calling does make me feel better thanks. Doesn't surprise me about you being called a "wanker" before - don't mean to add to your trouble..sorry.

I kind of agree though that campers is part of the game - it is a thin line between campers, tactics etc etc. To be honest, a lot of times people are just in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time!

H

Henry, are you trying to start trouble? I mean? If you've stated your opinion, and so has everyone else, and priest states his, which is mostly the same as the rest of ours, why give him a hard time? If calling people names makes you feel better, I have one thing to say, GROW UP.

Thats okay Henry, I find your nonsense amusing. You get all in a huff about what you claim to be an important subject; to the point of name calling, and then here you are completely backing down from your position.
Engaging in any sort of pissing match with you would be a waste of energy, as you've already shown your caliber and it speaks volumes about you.

But then again, I'm guilty for just writing this. What do they say? "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics....."

The only campers I have a problem with are the ones who sit at respawn points and kill you before you can even move. M16:

Yes I know you will respawn somewhere else and know where they are, but it still bugs me.

the spawns are messed up on some maps.
If there is a guy camping at the spawn, the other team shouldn't spawn there.

On Stalingrad I was guarding our sniper on top of the stairwell of the big building, where the sniper had a nice hole-in-the-wall to shoot through.
Anyway, I'm sitting there covering his back and a kraut spawns on top of us!
Of course I have no choice but to shoot him.
However this hasn't happened for a while now so has somebody fixed this issue or what?

It's like Omaha, there are spawn points that are right in the middle of everything. You as an ally have busted your hump up the corridors to get to the top, you clear that pesky sniper out of one of the bunkers to give your mates a chance to breathe, and he spawns in behind you to blow you back down to the beach. Pretty frustrating.
Then there is the inevitable spawn killing at the shingle. As axis, if you've pushed them off the shingle, this can't be helped. But one thing I can't stand is having someone as axis crouched down and hidden to one side of or inside the Higgins boat who blows you away before your feet touch the ground.
hey prhm, where in Wa are you at? Greetings from Puyallup!

Priest,

Thanks for that. I was having a bad day...

H

There is nothing wrong with camping if your on the defending side.

But........onto n00bs now, why do n00bs after a lucky kill just stand and stare at a medi-pack thats only about 5ft infront of them? how stupid if your low on health why don't the dumb n00b just pick it up, instead of staring at it.

[quote="M@D CHILD":502aa]There is nothing wrong with camping if your on the defending side.

But........onto n00bs now, why do n00bs after a lucky kill just stand and stare at a medi-pack thats only about 5ft infront of them? how stupid if your low on health why don't the dumb n00b just pick it up, instead of staring at it.[/quote:502aa]

they're so excited about getting a kill that they can't find the W key biggrin:

w? why not use arrows mate? much easier

[quote="M@D CHILD":38a1b]w? why not use arrows mate? much easier[/quote:38a1b]

Then what do you use for all the other commands, like croutch, walk, lean, reload? How do you voice spam? Do you change weapons with the number assignments or with scrollball or both. With WSAD, all the other keys I use are still within easy reach. Do you have those programmed to mouse keys?

i use,

up arrow = walk forward

down arrow = walk backwards

left arrow = strafe left

right arrow = strafe right

num pad 0 (ins) = crouch

right Ctrl = jump

left mose button = lean left

right mouse button = lean right

side mouse button= fire

mouse wheel up = zoom sniper scope

mouse wheel down = zoom out

num pad 1= nades

num pad 4= previous weapon

num pad 5 = holster weapon

End = reload

i consider that to be the best key set-up around, all within easy reach. cool:

There were a couple of instances the past few days I was accused of camping.

In Remegan I was heading to the intersection with the wagon/crates when a teammate was blown apart by an Allied grenade. So I hoof it back and take cover behind the wall enclosing the yard and wait. Sure enough, two Allied soldiers come running around the corner and two shots with the sniper rifle later they're dead. What does one of the dead say to me? "Campers are losers, bane!" One, you have no idea how long I'd been there and two, you're dead and I'm alive. Go figure that that makes me a loser.

Another was in Stalingrad. I noticed the same two people were always in the same room at the same windows. I took a defendable position with a good sight line to those windows and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. After 20 or so kills I was accused of camping because they had not been able to kill me. Uh, hello? What exactly is it you think you're doing? I just happened to exploit their actions a little better than they did mine.

The sniper rifle is the only weapon you can really camp with for any length of time and still get kills. That's what snipers do. Occasionally you get some "locational awareness" about an opponent and you can wait for them to run by and MG 'em in the back. If these things make me a "camping loser" so be it. I'll see ya at the score screen, Forrest...

It makes sense, Im just stubborn and refuse to learn a new layout. The defualt works pretty well for me.

Has anyone else considered those gaming pad/keyboard - the one that only has about 15 (bigger) keys specifically for gaming? Those look interesting.

if ya can get used to my layout you will find it much easier to use, pracrice on singleplayer with it.

Bane,

It's a very fine line, friend. If those two guys had time to run down the block, then my opinion is that they're fair game. They have situational awareness; they just feel like they don't or shouldn't "need" to use cover, they're loss.

On Stalingrad, the way you say "like shooting fish in a barrel", (has anyone tried that? is it as boring as it sounds?), makes me wonder just how close to there spawning you were hitting them. I figure if they've had a chance to take cover and don't , then they're fair game, or if you hit them after they've spawned and while they are trying to find your position, ok. But hitting them before their feeties hit the ground, or before they can get there bearings wouldn't be kosher. JMO.

I have to say that I even found myself doing it on omaha last night. I was hitting them in the boats from the bunker and realized that I was spawn killing. Very embarrassing so I let them come down the ramp before I shot them biggrin:
As for snipers in general, I find them to be an endless source of annoyance and frustration. You guys are bastards!! biggrin: That's also why I respect, admire, and usually enjoy watching the actions of them. Well, the good ones anyway.
Man, all my 2 cents' are adding up to some change. I need another job, lol

priest39,

In Remegan I never saw them before they turned the corner. I saw my teammate eat a grenade and figured they would be heading my way. The sniper rifle is not a close-quarters weapon and the pistol is no match against their MG's so I pulled a 180 and went for cover.

In Stalingrad I wasn't spawn killing. I would watch them run into the room and take their positions in the same windows over and over again. I have no idea where they were spawning but they must have liked the view from those windows.

Am I at fault? Are my tactics cheap? I always try to play honorably and thought I was in these instances. Ok, ok..the Stalingrad scenario was a little cheap... biggrin:

I totally disagree. Nothing wrong with the Stalingrad scenerio because if they didn't learn the first time that makes them all the more "fair game." Camping all around is a tactic that people should learn. However, spawn-killing on the other hand is somethig that will get you thrown off my server. If people don't have a chance to retaliate, that's what makes it unfair. But if you're at least giving them the opportunity to get their bearings and move around, then they're fair game and need to learn to hide better.

Thing about Omaha that really gets me - Allied snipers hangin' out in the boats. Last night I was Axis with apprx. 11 people on the server, half being allied. I only saw one ally ever make an attempt at the 88's, the rest of them were camped in the boats trying to shoot Axis. Now, this makes sense if the Axis was spawnkilling, but they weren't. 6 guys on Axis side, and three were watching one gun, 2 on the other and 2 guys sniping the shingle. Spent 15 minutes shooting the same guy as he made attempt after attempt to blow the guns.