<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sgt.sayian:
bah, any german who fought for the germany army in World War 2 is a nazi (even if they didn't wanna be). Some germans were forced to fight and didn't wanna be a nazi but they were fighting for the nazi's and are one the self.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Um, no.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TrenD*KilleR:
Very well said Wehr, you commented that EA made up the grenadier. Correct me if i'm wrong but the infantry units that supported the Panzer tank units were called Panzergrenadiers maybe this is what EA meant to be using.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're right, I was watching a British documentary on the Normandy invasion on PBS last night and they showed infantry along side the Panzer tank units and they looked like the class in the game, right down to the camo.

And Deadmeat is correct, too. The documentary also mentioned that the counter-attack was delayed because no one wanted to wake Hitler.

One thing, though, and I'm no WWII buff or anything, but they showed numerous footage of the beach landings, from Utah to Sword, and quite a lot of Omaha. But one thing that struck me was how the level in the game looked very little like reality. For example, the beach wasn't as steep. The level in the game looks more like SPR than anything.

Can anyone attest to its realism? Did Omaha actually look like this? Or is it another example of Hollywood? We all know Spielberg has his fingers all over this game.

IIRC Panzergrenadiers were the mech infantry attached to the armour units. They would drive around in half tracks etc and disembark to give the armour cover.

One thing I do note from my discussions with WWII ppl (English) is that they held the German soldier in high respect. They were good, had the best equipment and were well trained. Certainly at the outbreak of war there wasn't anything quite like them.

As one guy said to me.....

"In 1940 we were fighting guys who had been training for years in camps in the forests. We were just skinny kids."

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Steel

You're so right. The British had great respect for the Germans and vice versa.

Yes I know panzergrenadiers were a real type of infantry. But the camo smock...well, I've never seen it myself.

I'm a 2nd SS Panzergrenadier Division "Das Reich" reenactor. All the camo smocks I've ever seen can probably be found at these websites:
http://www.atthefront.com http://www.1944militaria.com

On the other topic: Yeah the whole Reich was one big complex system. Obviously anybody in Germany could have believed in Nazi politics. And in the early days of the reich alot ot people did. But it's not fair to label the entire German population as Nazis. After all, there were 17 different assassination attempts to kill Hitler within the Wehrmacht itself http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



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[This message has been edited by Wehr (edited February 01, 2002).]

Can anyone attest to its realism? Did Omaha actually look like this? Or is it another example of Hollywood? We all know Spielberg has his fingers all over this game.[/B][/QUOTE]

I believe in SPR they are trying to model the Point Du Hoc region which is in between Omaha and Utah beaches.From what I know pointDu Hoc was pretty steep.Point Du Hoc is where the Allies believed a battery of German artillery was located,but they turned out to be further in-land.

Canon Fodder.
Yes Omaha beach scenario is pretty accurate as far as the look and feel but ofcourse you can't be as accurate in a game as in real life.Some of the open streches on Omaha were close to 200-400yrds wide so plenty of oppertunity for the Germans to pick the US soldiers off.
But the look and feel is pretty accurate for a game.
I for 1 would not like 1 bit to have been a allied soldier storming the beach on June 6th,1944
Those men who did I hold the deepest respect for,For they achived something that probably will never be replicated again in history!
I myself probably would have started digging to china and try to come up behind the Germans but ofcourse we all know that wouldn't be possible.
Plus if Hitler would have released the Panzer divs sooner the allies probably would have been pushed back into the sea!
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[This message has been edited by Dasher (edited February 01, 2002).]

The panzer reserves where in Paris at that time and they would probaly get shoot by naval bombardments if they would attacked the invasion force at the beach. Thats what i heard on a documentary.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lone_Wolf:
The panzer reserves where in Paris at that time and they would probaly get shoot by naval bombardments if they would attacked the invasion force at the beach. Thats what i heard on a documentary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No all the panzer reserves were in the Calai region, where the Germans had expected the Allied invasion would take place.

There were a few Mechanized divisions in the Normandy area though.

Guys one thing only 10% of the entire german population was nazi and killing one of them is just as good as sex!!! t´hem nazi fuckers destroyed lots of beautifull things here in holland KILL ALL NAZI PEOPLE

I'm not totally sure where the Panzer reserves were.

I read a quote awhile back, can't remember whom it was from. Somebody said the most effective defense of amphibious assults would be to have Stukas hug the coastline as much as possible. While "cheap" defenses could be arranged for the immediate defense of the coastline such as MG's. Tanks would be in charge of the counter attack. But what can you say? Hitler slept late http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/tongue.gif

One of the most annoying things about MOH (especially in the omaha map), is the liberal dispersion of snipers. They were rare throughout the war to say the least.

With so many snipers, normal rifles serve no purpose. The only way to possibly survive is to run around like crazy. When realistically, there were actually such thing as rifle squads.

Anyhoo, moh is a fun game, but I still would much rather have game which limits snipers to 1 per platoon (30-40 people)

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Now would that be from Artillery fire or the Gestapo?

Wehrmacht officers refused time and time again to commit war atrocities. And since they held so much power, there was nothing Hitler could do. Take Rommel for instance. He never killed a POW...ever.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thakiller2k2:
Guys one thing only 10% of the entire german population was nazi and killing one of them is just as good as sex!!! t´hem nazi fuckers destroyed lots of beautifull things here in holland KILL ALL NAZI PEOPLE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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I don´t understand your question(i think)
Can you say it different

Also what about the Soviets? Didn't the Soviets invade Finland out of imperialism?

Didn't the Allies bomb Dresden into complete submission although it held no strategic asset? I believe more innocent civilians died in the Dresden bombings than both atomic bombs.

The Polish murdered 200+ Polish citizens with German decent at the town of Danzig towards the end of the invasion. This wasn't stubborn defense from the German invaders, this was pointless murder.

War has lots of atrocities from both sides. But don't dehumanize an entire race for the crimes of so few. The Nazi party commit the holocaust. Most German [read: generals] didn't even know about it until the end of the war. Not even Rommel at Feldmarschall status believed that the rumors of the holocaust were true.

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