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Short Hand 07-07-2005 04:39 PM

A Letter To Christians
 
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Originally Posted by Jive
Seems pretty repetative to me, but alot of points are made, so I thought I'd post it for discussion sake.


A Letter To Christians
by Dan Barker
http://www.ffrf.org/bybarker.html

Dear Believer,

— You asked me to consider Christianity as the answer for my life. I have done that. I consider it untrue, repugnant, and harmful.

You expect me to believe Jesus was born of a virgin impregnated by a ghost? Do you believe all the crazy tales of ancient religions? Julius Caesar was reportedly born of a virgin; Roman historian Seutonius said Augustus bodily rose to heaven when he died; and Buddha was supposedly born speaking. You don’t believe all that, do you? Why do you expect me to swallow the fables of Christianity?

I find it incredible that you ask me to believe that the earth was created in six literal days;
women come from a man’s rib;
a snake, a donkey, and a burning bush spoke human language;
the entire world was flooded, covering the mountains to drown evil;
all animal species, millions of them, rode on one boat;
language variations stem from the tower of Babel;
Moses had a magic wand;
the Nile turned to blood;
a stick turned into a snake;
witches, wizards, and sorcerers really exist;
food rained from the sky for 40 years;
people were cured by the sight of a brass serpent;
the sun stood still to help Joshua win a battle, and it went backward for King Hezekiah;
men survived unaided in a fiery furnace;
a detached hand floated in the air and wrote on a wall;
men followed a star which directed them to a particular house;
Jesus walked on water unaided;
fish and bread magically multiplied to feed the hungry;
water instantly turned into wine;
mental illness is caused by demons;
a “devil” with wings exists who causes evil;
people were healed by stepping into a pool agitated by angels;
disembodied voiced spoke from the sky;
Jesus vanished and later materialized from thin air;
people were healed by Peter’s shadow;
angels broke people out of jail;
a fiery lake of eternal torment awaits unbelievers under the earth ... while there is life-after-death in a city which is 1,500 miles cubed, with mansions and food, for Christians only.

If you believe these stories, then you are the one with the problem, not me. These myths violate natural law, contradict science, and fail to correspond with reality or logic. If you can’t see that, then you can’t separate truth from fantasy. It doesn’t matter how many people accept delusions inflicted by “holy” men; a widely held lie is still a lie. If you are so gullible, then you are like the child who believes the older brother who says there is a monster in the hallway. But there is nothing to be afraid of; go turn on the light and look for yourself.

If Christianity were simply untrue I would not be too concerned. Santa is untrue, but it is a harmless myth which people outgrow. But Christianity, besides being false, is also abhorrent. It amazes me that you claim to love the god of the bible, a hateful, arrogant, sexist, cruel being who can’t tolerate criticism. I would not want to live in the same neighborhood with such a creature!

The biblical god is a macho male warrior.
Though he said “Thou shalt not kill,” he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass exterminations;
punishes offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5);
ordered pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16);
demands animal and human blood to appease his angry vanity;
is partial to one race of people;
judges women to be inferior to men;
is a sadist who created a hell to torture unbelievers;
created evil (Is. 45:7);
discriminated against the handicapped (Lev. 21:18-23);
ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18, Deut. 21:11-14);
spread dung on people’s faces (Mal. 2:3);
sent bears to devour 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24);
punishes people with snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and infanticide;
and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10).

Is that nice? Would you want to live next door to such a person?

And Jesus is a chip off the old block.
He said, “I and my father are one,” and he upheld “every jot and tittle” of the Old Testament law. Mt. 5:18
He preached the same old judgment: vengeance and death, wrath and distress, hell and torture for all nonconformists.
He believed in demons, angels and spirits.
He never denounced the subjugation of slaves or women. Women were excluded as disciples and as guests at his heavenly table.
Except for hell he introduced nothing new to ethics or philosophy.
He was disrespectful of his mother and brothers;
he said we should hate our parents and desert our families. Mt. 10:35-36, Lk. 14:26 (So much for “Christian family life.”)
He denounced anger, but was often angry himself. Mt. 5:22, Mk. 3:5
He called people “fools” (Mt. 23:17,19), “serpents,” and “white sepulchers,” though he warned that such language puts you in danger of hellfire. Mt. 5:22
He said “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword." Mt. 10:34 (So much for “Peace on Earth.”)
He irrationally cursed and withered a fig tree for being barren out of season. Mt. 21:19
He mandated burning unbelievers. Jn. 15:6 (The Church has complied with relish.)
He stole a horse. Lk. 19:30-33
He told people to cut off hands, feet, eyes and sexual organs. Mt. 5:29-30, 19:12

You want me to accept Jesus, but I think I’ll pick my own friend, thank you.

One of Jesus’ many contradictions was saying good works should be seen, and not seen. Mt. 5:16, 6:1-4 One of his mistakes was saying that the mustard plant has the smallest seed. Mt. 13:31-32 The writers of Matthew and Luke could not even get his genealogy straight, contradicting the Old Testament, and giving Jesus two discrepant lines through Joseph, his non-father!

I also find Christianity to be morally repugnant. The concepts of original sin, depravity, substitutionary forgiveness, intolerance, eternal punishment, and humble worship are all beneath the dignity of intelligent human beings and conflict with the values of kindness and reason. They are barbaric ideas for primitive cultures cowering in fear and ignorance.

Finally, Christianity is harmful. More people have been killed in the name of a god than for any other reason. The Church has a shameful, bloody history of Crusades, Inquisitions, witch-burnings, heresy trials, American colonial intolerance, disrespect of indigenous traditions (such as American Indians), support of slavery, and oppression of women. Modern “fruits” of religion include the Jonestown massacre, the callous fraud of “faith healers,” recent wars and ethnic cleansing, and fighting in Northern Ireland. Religion also poses a danger to mental health, damaging self-respect, personal responsibility, and clarity of thought.

Do you see why I do not respect the biblical message? It is an insulting bag of nonsense. You have every right to torment yourself with such insanity — but leave me out of it. I have better things to do with my life.

LoL, I was raised Catholic.. Not very Religous @ all though. I just uphold "some" of the moral values protrayed threw things like the biatudes etc. I found the letter quite entertaining. biggrin:( Yes I know many stories in the bible = symbolic)

Tripper 07-07-2005 04:46 PM

The bible is taken as a METAPHORICAL guide to life with various morals that are relevant in any era, in any age, to all humans, by certain sects of CHRISTIANITY.

....But I suppose it's just easier to call ALL christians, including those who look at the bible with an open mind, ignorant fools.

There's more than one sect of Chrisitanity.

Keep up the generalising. rolleyes:

Short Hand 07-07-2005 04:52 PM

If you noticed I reffered to many stories as Symblism. + the letter is directed to the Right Wing Conservatives @ the website shown. WHO TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY !. Not all Christians. GG Trips.

Coleman 07-07-2005 04:53 PM

I don't have the energy to put my head into this one.

/me walks out the door.

wintersforge 07-07-2005 04:57 PM

Electric Wizard-We live

Nyck 07-07-2005 05:08 PM

A letter to them -

STFU.

Love Nyck

KTOG 07-07-2005 05:11 PM

This arguement will never work because they have something called FAITH. With this, all things are possible oOo: .

Short Hand 07-07-2005 05:16 PM

Lmp Bizkit - Faith angel:

strvs 07-07-2005 05:18 PM

[quote="Short Hand":98b5c]Lmp Bizkit - Faith angel:[/quote:98b5c]
plzdie:

Stammer 07-07-2005 05:19 PM

http://www.godhatesamerica.com

oOo:

Tripper 07-07-2005 05:37 PM

[quote="Short Hand":49f48]If you noticed I reffered to many stories as Symblism. + the letter is directed to the Right Wing Conservatives @ the website shown. WHO TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY !. Not all Christians. GG Trips.[/quote:49f48]

GG? It says "A LETTER TO CHRISTIANS," you fucking dimwitted, quacktastic, crackpot. Never does the writer single out those that take the bible literally. He groups them all under the one name. What do you expect? Us too automatically understand what website this is from and the demographic at said website - Then for us to link the two together and realise, despite direct quotes, that this guy is infact, talking about only RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS. Not christians in general.

GG indeed.


On another note:

Do you proofread any of your posts? It's hard to take you seriously when you have the spelling skills of a 7 year old.

Short Hand 07-07-2005 07:28 PM

The orginal author wrote that for christians @ http://www.ffrf.org you fuckwad. You are scratching for material here to rebutle (Weak too)..., Stop pulling a TGB and put on some pants. rolleyes:

[quote=strvs]
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Originally Posted by "Short Hand":567dd
Lmp Bizkit - Faith angel:

plzdie:[/quote:567dd]

I still Love you harry.

Nyck 07-07-2005 07:31 PM

[quote="Short Hand":ba769]The orginal author wrote that for christians @ [url="http://www.ffrf.org"]http://www.ffrf.org[/url] you fuckwad. [/quote:ba769]

how bout you fucking leave it there and quit trying to "prove" something over here. christ just ignore it. if believing in Jesus makes them feel better let them...fuckin christ. annoy:

Short Hand 07-07-2005 07:35 PM

Ohh God you b00ns are turning this into another shit fest. oOo:

Coleman 07-07-2005 07:38 PM

[quote="Short Hand":8e714]Ohh God you b00ns are turning this into another shit fest. oOo:[/quote:8e714][img]http://dura.cell.free.fr/home/pr0n/shaved_pussy.jpg[/img]


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