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ninty 05-13-2006 04:51 PM

The return of 'thought crimes' in Japan
 
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/HE12Dh01.html

Interesting that it could be possible for someone to think about doing something and then be punished for it when they haven't even done it yet.

It raises an interesting question. This is very similar to minority report. Can you actually charge someone before they have comitted a crime if they have done nothing wrong?

If someone plans to blow up a building but never goes through with it, have they done anything wrong?

Pyro 05-13-2006 06:25 PM

I think no

they could misinterpret tanything...hell any plan can be an diea for a movie...anything...too much interpretation for it to work.

Nyck 05-13-2006 07:31 PM

bullshit. if the evidence is there its convictable. It will be a less severe penalty than if the act occured but prevention is preferable to punishment.

If you have kids with shit to shoot up a school you dont say no no no bad boy.
, then send them on their way.

if you just let people go it would cause more of it. Oh we'll try whats the worst that can happen if we get caught they shake their finger at us. By knowing that you will go to jail for it is a deterent.

they arrest all those pedophiles on the dateline predator catcher shows and they havent done anything(in your eyes) just talked about it and gone to the location.

Coleman 05-13-2006 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyck
they arrest all those pedophiles on the dateline predator catcher shows and they havent done anything(in your eyes) just talked about it and gone to the location.

good point. i was thinking about the topic of thought crimes as I watched that. it really makes you think.

c312 05-14-2006 12:57 PM

If they can establish intent and means, they should be able to convict suspects of crime. I'm not saying they should convict them for the same crime as if they had actually carried through with it, but they should still be punished. We've been convicting people on charges of "conspiracy to commit [input criminal action here]" for years.

Eight Ace 05-15-2006 04:17 AM

Re: The return of 'thought crimes' in Japan
 
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Originally Posted by c312
We've been convicting people on charges of "conspiracy to commit [input criminal action here]" for years.

of course.


I have a beef with someone
I try to hire someone to kill that person
I hire and tell all to undercover police
Whoops...j/k...erm, victim lives and I can giggle and skip free!!
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Originally Posted by ninty
If someone plans to blow up a building but never goes through with it, have they done anything wrong?

duuhhhh.... eek:

c312 05-15-2006 10:25 AM

Re: The return of 'thought crimes' in Japan
 
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Originally Posted by ninty
If someone plans to blow up a building but never goes through with it, have they done anything wrong?

The United States arrested a guy for planning to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge. He had plans and explosives to do it and btw, he probably would have done it if it hadn't been for the Patriot act.

Jin-Roh 05-15-2006 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyck
they arrest all those pedophiles on the dateline predator catcher shows and they havent done anything(in your eyes) just talked about it and gone to the location.

good point. i was thinking about the topic of thought crimes as I watched that. it really makes you think.

Except they actually did commit a crime already... Soliciting sexual activities to a minor over the internet. oOo:

TGB! 05-15-2006 11:49 AM

MINORITY REPORT is simply "criminal intent" taken to its extreme.

The folks who have plans and what not - they can still be arrested even if the didnt actually do anything.

Eight Ace 06-05-2006 03:04 AM

Re: The return of 'thought crimes' in Japan
 
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Originally Posted by ninty
Interesting that it could be possible for someone to think about doing something and then be punished for it when they haven't even done it yet.

If someone plans to blow up a building but never goes through with it, have they done anything wrong?

*bump*

ninty 06-05-2006 10:06 AM

Sneaky sneaky, but the two topics you're trying to draw together are a bit different.

The one case has individuals actually purchasing materials to carry out an attack while in this case it is the discussion of such ideas, which is what I had up for debate.

Sgt>Stackem 06-05-2006 10:26 AM

over the weekend I was at Home Depot, there was this tiny little blonde that was helping me. My thoughts could have landed me in lots of trouble!!!


































with my wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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