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Tripper, I'm glad you posted that article.

Your first article, I understand how that follows your point.

However, your second article doesn't seem to, it blames the problems on the people who have lied and claimed they were something they wern't. Sure, you can pull out a quote or two from it and say it goes well with your point. But the base idea of it seems to put blame on corruption and lies. Which only makes the quote 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' more valid. Thats majorly how I believe. There are always going to be people with guns, and there will always be a huge population of fucked up people. Now, granted that if fucked up people get their hands on guns, it will cause a lot of problems. MY POINT is, even if we made guns illegal, they can still get their hands on these guns. If I was near some nut with a gun, I would like it if I at least had something for my defence. So, maybe the reason we have more deaths by guns here in the US is because of corruption and lies from the system?

I can't explain why our Black-Market is so nuts, my theory is because our police are corrupted as well. They have an order of importance, and if they make more money on a drug-bust, they are going after that before they worry about the life of one person. They are always fighting the 'black-market', but it never seems to go away, and as long as the system can make money off of it, it won't ever go away.

Oh, and just to be fair, for the little 'fuck-knuckle' comment you made...

Read this Dick-Sickle:

"There are certain lessons in murder that cannot be ignored. Namely this:

Once a committed individual, group or nation decides that murder is an objective worth pursuing, then taking a life is only a little more difficult than taking a breath.

Germany today grieves the loss of its blissful post-war ignorance. It is coming to grips with the painful realization that its domestic security was an illusion based on the false assumption that "American-style" violence could be averted by strict gun control.

The illusion is gone. A powerful nation's vulnerability was dramatically exposed by the violent actions of a disaffected 19- year-old man. Last Friday morning, Robert Steinhauser, expelled from his high school for several weeks, returned to the school with a shotgun and a sidearm. And he went hunting for adults.

Shortly after 11 a.m., he commenced a 10-minute massacre that instantly changed Germany's sense of itself. Steinhauser shot 13 teachers, two students and a police officer before pulling the trigger on himself. In the end, Steinhauser managed to kill more people than the gunmen at Columbine High School.

As a result, those in Germany, along with many in Europe, are wondering how such violent behavior managed to fester undetected for so long.

"So-called 'American conditions' have reached us. We cannot let these excesses of violence become a part of our daily life," said Konrad Freiberg, the head of Germany's police union.

"This is so unique that it exceeds one's powers of imagination," echoed Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. "I think we all need time to work this through in our minds. There are questions here that we have to answer as a whole society."

One can only wonder if, in the quest to answer those questions, Germany will enforce a more repressive and counterproductive crackdown on gun ownership than has been seen in modern history. On the day of the massacre, parliament coincidentally approved a measure to further tighten weapons laws. Even before that, Germany was home to some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world.

Such a move will scarcely make Germany safer internally or prevent the type of violence that occurred last week. About 2.3 million Germans have the right to own guns for sporting purposes. Steinhauser reportedly was not one of them. His guns were obtained and stored illegally.

So what lessons does the young German present to us as the gun- control debate continues unabated in America and abroad?

The availability of guns does not initiate a massacre. The massacre is initiated by intent. In a land with strict gun control, a teenager obtained powerful weapons and went on a school rampage that resulted in more casualties than any American school has ever experienced.

This is not meant to suggest that American or German teachers should be sent to the classroom armed with lesson plans and handguns. But it is meant to suggest that small-arms control serves mostly to disenfranchise those inclined to obey the law or to defend life.

History teacher Rainer Heise, who reportedly locked Steinhauser in an empty classroom, effectively ending the massacre, said the killer uttered these words before the door slammed shut:

"That's enough for today, Mr. Heise."

Germany will probably find that chilling statement to be prophetic. An illusionary security door has now been blown wide- open.

Morris is an associate editor of The Plain Dealer's editorial pages."

This happened in Germany, where gun-control laws are much more strict than the US's. However, it doesn't stop people from getting guns and using them incorrectly.