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SPRAYnPRAY · 01-02-2002, 04:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hotspur:
Siggi - I agree with you. It is very frustrating to come on line to have a fun game and find that there are cheaters ruining it.

For those of you who attack Sigi for this common sense position - what the hell is wrong with you? SpraynPray, what gives? Do you think before you write? Being against a gamer who is complaining about cheaters is like being against a citizen who complains about vandals or thieves! But I guess when you are 12 making sense doesn't really matter, does it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow. Just read this post, as it was buried in a pile of SP demo threads. Forgive me digging it back up in the midst of all the positive SP posts, but I suppose I should try to defend my position, eh?

Let's see. You're angry at the cheaters, right? And you think they should be stopped, right? Perhaps a "wall of shame" would do the trick? Hmm...

First of all, I'm not a fan of the cheat. What does it prove? You play the game, and you compete with opponents that are on an equal playing field. If you perform well, you reinforce the behavior that has allowed you to win, fairly. If you win by cheating, you haven't reinforced anything related to gameplay. How boring.

I'm not down on your dislike for cheating. I'm down on the incessant whining, and this lame idea of a "wall of shame". It smacks of modern-day-McCarthyism. Who are you to say who is cheating? Because you can't kill the guy? Maybe you aren't that good. Because you shoot him in the back with a full clip and he still stands there? Maybe it's the code, or the connection? Then the connection comes back on, he turns around and kills you, without ever registering your shots. This shit does happen, you know. Man, I remember Quake1 guys floating in the air, invulnerable to fire, and obviously locked out of the game. Yes, Quake1. That's a long time ago, right? Well, perhaps for some, but not for someone who was playing games on a mainframe in highschool years before the PC was even in public hands. So you can put that 12 year-old nonsense to rest(seems to be an insult you guys use to get at people). Man, I wish I was 12 again. But that was back in 1975, and life was simple. The good news for you cats that aren't as old as me is that computer gaming will never get boring. It only get's better. And it's not like sports, where you kinda crap out at an early age. You don't really get worse at it; but you do get smarter about it.

And that's my gripe about the "wall of shame". It's not smart. It's unmeditated and unmitigated. You post someone's handle, and that person may just be legit. Take it in stride. Calm down. Check his score. Is it 100-0? Perhaps you're right. Is it 50-15? Maybe he's just good. Is he flying around? Well, you got a gripe. Is he in Firearms, prone, and going at hyperspeed(I actually saw this, and I didn't get pissed. It's just a game. I laughed my ass off, then spent the rest of the game trying to get the bastard)? Get PunkBuster(Not that that program is great though, but it helps).

Bottom line: I was practically called a cheater in this thread, yet my first post clearly indicates that I tried to help. If I've learned anything in my 38 years on this planet, it is this: calm down, and enjoy what you have, now.

Gotta go check my stocks...Peace

[This message has been edited by SPRAYnPRAY (edited January 02, 2002).]

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SPRAYnPRAY is Offline Member Posts: 75 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Anytown,USA	01-02-2002, 04:02 AM <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hotspur: Siggi - I agree with you. It is very frustrating to come on line to have a fun game and find that there are cheaters ruining it. For those of you who attack Sigi for this common sense position - what the hell is wrong with you? SpraynPray, what gives? Do you think before you write? Being against a gamer who is complaining about cheaters is like being against a citizen who complains about vandals or thieves! But I guess when you are 12 making sense doesn't really matter, does it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Wow. Just read this post, as it was buried in a pile of SP demo threads. Forgive me digging it back up in the midst of all the positive SP posts, but I suppose I should try to defend my position, eh? Let's see. You're angry at the cheaters, right? And you think they should be stopped, right? Perhaps a "wall of shame" would do the trick? Hmm... First of all, I'm not a fan of the cheat. What does it prove? You play the game, and you compete with opponents that are on an equal playing field. If you perform well, you reinforce the behavior that has allowed you to win, fairly. If you win by cheating, you haven't reinforced anything related to gameplay. How boring. I'm not down on your dislike for cheating. I'm down on the incessant whining, and this lame idea of a "wall of shame". It smacks of modern-day-McCarthyism. Who are you to say who is cheating? Because you can't kill the guy? Maybe you aren't that good. Because you shoot him in the back with a full clip and he still stands there? Maybe it's the code, or the connection? Then the connection comes back on, he turns around and kills you, without ever registering your shots. This shit does happen, you know. Man, I remember Quake1 guys floating in the air, invulnerable to fire, and obviously locked out of the game. Yes, Quake1. That's a long time ago, right? Well, perhaps for some, but not for someone who was playing games on a mainframe in highschool years before the PC was even in public hands. So you can put that 12 year-old nonsense to rest(seems to be an insult you guys use to get at people). Man, I wish I was 12 again. But that was back in 1975, and life was simple. The good news for you cats that aren't as old as me is that computer gaming will never get boring. It only get's better. And it's not like sports, where you kinda crap out at an early age. You don't really get worse at it; but you do get smarter about it. And that's my gripe about the "wall of shame". It's not smart. It's unmeditated and unmitigated. You post someone's handle, and that person may just be legit. Take it in stride. Calm down. Check his score. Is it 100-0? Perhaps you're right. Is it 50-15? Maybe he's just good. Is he flying around? Well, you got a gripe. Is he in Firearms, prone, and going at hyperspeed(I actually saw this, and I didn't get pissed. It's just a game. I laughed my ass off, then spent the rest of the game trying to get the bastard)? Get PunkBuster(Not that that program is great though, but it helps). Bottom line: I was practically called a cheater in this thread, yet my first post clearly indicates that I tried to help. If I've learned anything in my 38 years on this planet, it is this: calm down, and enjoy what you have, now. Gotta go check my stocks...Peace [This message has been edited by SPRAYnPRAY (edited January 02, 2002).]