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imported_Fluffy_Bunny · 02-26-2003, 03:22 PM

[quote:2db92]The camp guards were soldiers who were unfit for frontline duty and were placed under the commando of RFSS Kommando Stab, they were also in charge of the Einsatzgruppen and cowardinating Anti-Partisan sweeps. That same site also connects 3.SS Totenkopf with the Totenkopf Standarte when they was no correlation between the two, except the word Totenkopf, which seems to confuse most who have never studied the subject. So connecting any of the actuall SS Divisions to the camp guards is foolish. The order to execute prisoners was one given by officers, not the common soldiers. Whether or not they believed in the Nazi ideals is tough to determine there shouldn't be any reason why the average soldier should be connected with the KZs[/quote:2db92]

2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
This division had arguably the best combat reputation from all the Waffen SS division and their record for atrocities would be reasonably clean if it was not for the crimes committed in France during the Allied invasion in 1944.
The 2nd SS had been the victims of constant acts of sabotage by the Marquis(French Resistance) on their way to front. The final straw came for a certain Sturmbannführer Dickmann when three members of his regiment were kidnapped by the resistance. One of the victims was the popular Sturmbannführer Helmut Kampfe,who was also a good friend of Dieckmann, who's staff car was discovered abandoned. His body was never found but it was presumed he had been murdered by the Maquis. Dieckmann had been told by the inhabitants of St Junien that a German Officer was being held prisoner at Oradour-sur-Glane. He was given permission to investigate and after arriving in the village with 120 men around 1pm, conducted an extensive search. No Officer was found and in reprisal he ordered the 3rd Company 1st Battalion of the Der Führer Regiment Das Reich (who were predominantly Austrian), to destroy the small village of Oradour-sur-Glane along with its inhabitants. The resulting actions can only be described as sheer butchery as the population was systematically shot, burned or mutilated in an orgy of killing. The end result was 190 men, 245 women and 207 children(including babies) were killed-642 in all. Some had been burnt to death others simply shot. There was one horrific account of a baby of no more than two years old who had been found shoved down a lavatory, stabbed to death with a bayonet. Only ten had managed to survive the slaughter by feigning death.

As you can see, these guys aren't prison guards but they are the notorious and beloved Waffen SS, your heroes...

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imported_Fluffy_Bunny is Offline Senior Member Posts: 3,564 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Reading 'Country Life' magazine in a crack wh0res brothel in Soho, London	02-26-2003, 03:22 PM [quote:2db92]The camp guards were soldiers who were unfit for frontline duty and were placed under the commando of RFSS Kommando Stab, they were also in charge of the Einsatzgruppen and cowardinating Anti-Partisan sweeps. That same site also connects 3.SS Totenkopf with the Totenkopf Standarte when they was no correlation between the two, except the word Totenkopf, which seems to confuse most who have never studied the subject. So connecting any of the actuall SS Divisions to the camp guards is foolish. The order to execute prisoners was one given by officers, not the common soldiers. Whether or not they believed in the Nazi ideals is tough to determine there shouldn't be any reason why the average soldier should be connected with the KZs[/quote:2db92] 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich This division had arguably the best combat reputation from all the Waffen SS division and their record for atrocities would be reasonably clean if it was not for the crimes committed in France during the Allied invasion in 1944. The 2nd SS had been the victims of constant acts of sabotage by the Marquis(French Resistance) on their way to front. The final straw came for a certain Sturmbannführer Dickmann when three members of his regiment were kidnapped by the resistance. One of the victims was the popular Sturmbannführer Helmut Kampfe,who was also a good friend of Dieckmann, who's staff car was discovered abandoned. His body was never found but it was presumed he had been murdered by the Maquis. Dieckmann had been told by the inhabitants of St Junien that a German Officer was being held prisoner at Oradour-sur-Glane. He was given permission to investigate and after arriving in the village with 120 men around 1pm, conducted an extensive search. No Officer was found and in reprisal he ordered the 3rd Company 1st Battalion of the Der Führer Regiment Das Reich (who were predominantly Austrian), to destroy the small village of Oradour-sur-Glane along with its inhabitants. The resulting actions can only be described as sheer butchery as the population was systematically shot, burned or mutilated in an orgy of killing. The end result was 190 men, 245 women and 207 children(including babies) were killed-642 in all. Some had been burnt to death others simply shot. There was one horrific account of a baby of no more than two years old who had been found shoved down a lavatory, stabbed to death with a bayonet. Only ten had managed to survive the slaughter by feigning death. As you can see, these guys aren't prison guards but they are the notorious and beloved Waffen SS, your heroes...