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Duke_of_Ray · 05-11-2003, 08:35 AM

[quote:37e9d]Complexity of the world does not support the existence of a creational
entity: in fact, the Universe could just as well come from nothing at all.
You must agree with the following statement: if God can come from the
void, so can the Universe.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I agree, but if a creator
did conceive and materialize this world, Heaven and Hell were not included
in the phase following physical life, as freedom of choice would NOT have
a place in your Universe. I throw the ball in your court and invite you to read
the following book: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. It makes much more sense
than the bible ever could. Do you honestly believe that an intelligent deity
would only give his children one life to prove themselves worthy of his land?

Lastly, if there really was evidence of a supraphysical force, philosophers
and men of the mind would have known about it and we would all have to
hear about it in school... but that would limit our freedom of choice, hence
why I believe we will never know whether a deity is behind the creation of
this Universe or not: this is the only argument in support of your position. [/quote:37e9d]

God did not come from nothing, He has always been here, yes it is kind of hard for humans to comprehend, I will admit. :) You may not like the fact, but God did create Heaven and Hell, and you have a chioe of which one to go to. Also, God does give us only one life tp "prove" oursleves, and we do not even prove ourslves, becuase nobody is good enough to be with God, but becuase He loved us so much, He gaves us a way to be with Him ,and thats Jesus Christ. You can not prove yourself to God, but just accept Him. It is so easy, its not even about works, but just accepting Him! You will never be able to work your way to God, so there is no use trying, its a waste of time, why not just accept God, and live with the peace that you know where you will go when you die? As for the man of the mind, and philosophers go, just becuase they study alot, does not mean they know alot. A man of 1st grade eductaion who accepts Christ is millions of times wiser and smarter than one a man of great learning who rejects Him. If you truly accept Christ,you will know there is a God.

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Duke_of_Ray is Offline Senior Member Posts: 3,672 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for beans and love.	05-11-2003, 08:35 AM [quote:37e9d]Complexity of the world does not support the existence of a creational entity: in fact, the Universe could just as well come from nothing at all. You must agree with the following statement: if God can come from the void, so can the Universe. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I agree, but if a creator did conceive and materialize this world, Heaven and Hell were not included in the phase following physical life, as freedom of choice would NOT have a place in your Universe. I throw the ball in your court and invite you to read the following book: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. It makes much more sense than the bible ever could. Do you honestly believe that an intelligent deity would only give his children one life to prove themselves worthy of his land? Lastly, if there really was evidence of a supraphysical force, philosophers and men of the mind would have known about it and we would all have to hear about it in school... but that would limit our freedom of choice, hence why I believe we will never know whether a deity is behind the creation of this Universe or not: this is the only argument in support of your position. [/quote:37e9d] God did not come from nothing, He has always been here, yes it is kind of hard for humans to comprehend, I will admit. :) You may not like the fact, but God did create Heaven and Hell, and you have a chioe of which one to go to. Also, God does give us only one life tp "prove" oursleves, and we do not even prove ourslves, becuase nobody is good enough to be with God, but becuase He loved us so much, He gaves us a way to be with Him ,and thats Jesus Christ. You can not prove yourself to God, but just accept Him. It is so easy, its not even about works, but just accepting Him! You will never be able to work your way to God, so there is no use trying, its a waste of time, why not just accept God, and live with the peace that you know where you will go when you die? As for the man of the mind, and philosophers go, just becuase they study alot, does not mean they know alot. A man of 1st grade eductaion who accepts Christ is millions of times wiser and smarter than one a man of great learning who rejects Him. If you truly accept Christ,you will know there is a God.