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05-11-2003, 09:27 AM

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":2f9c9][quote:2f9c9]few typos[/quote:2f9c9]

Yea, I can not type to good, probably should start using home row.

[quote:2f9c9]Unfortunately, that is your contention, and only a contingent truth.
Furthermore, I ask you to present this so-called evidence of a deity
or creational entity: I'm not honestly asking, because I know for a
fact that you cannot provide any factual / tangible evidence but just
humor me for a moment, if you can. [/quote:2f9c9]

YOu want ecidence of God's exsistance? Well just look ate the world, its tangible. How could everything get so complex with out s supreme beign creating it? How could have all the particles that where part of the "Big Bang", if that really happend, been formed all on their own? Also read the Bible, just give it a good read, look at all the prophecies Jesus met, no man has done something likke that. Another thing is, look at a person who is truly save by Jesus, look how much happier they are, and how content they are, and how their life changes. Ask God to help you see Him, He will be more than happy to do it.

[quote:2f9c9]OK, the bible says God is loving and forgiving. Therefore God must have created us because he loved us and care about us.....then he suddenly leaves us to fend for ourselves! (look at the state of the world around you) Then theres the concept of all those who does not believe about him or know him must suddenly go to hell to suffer eternal pain and damnation. Now what kind of caring and loving father would do that to his children and send them to eternal pain. Its simply ludricious. The whole concept of heaven and hell therefore to me is fake, you know how the church in the past has so clearly altered the bible mixing it with other pagan philosophies in order to fit their selfish needsn. This whole heaven and hell thing was in my opinion put in order to control the kings and queens from breaking away from the church.
I'm sure there something far more unique than "beleive in God and you will goto Heaven, dont beleive in God and you will burn in hell". Its jsut that the bible has been altered too much by man to gain power....as usual. [/quote:2f9c9]

Well, God does love us, and has not left us here to fend for ourselves. As for thoe who do not believe, then yes they do go to Hell, but you cannot say God does not love us, becuase He gives you an easy way to Heaven, just accept His son, Jesus. The Chruch has not always represented the true face of Christ, and thsi is really sad becuase of all the people they hurt. Now you might say, well some people never hear the message, well for tose people, I believe if they live justly they to will see Heaven. So like it or not there is a Heaven and there is a Hell, its up to you which one you choose to go to.[/quote:2f9c9]

you still havent answered my statement. How do you know there is a heaven or hell? If GOd loves humans why does he send them to hell for eternal pain. As I said the bible these past few centuries have been clearly changed by other pagan philosophies (for example trinity) how do you know all this thing is true. If the church has not represented the true face of christ than this whole thing aint true since nearly all we learnt was from the church.

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Guest Posts: n/a	05-11-2003, 09:27 AM [quote="Duke_of_Ray":2f9c9][quote:2f9c9]few typos[/quote:2f9c9] Yea, I can not type to good, probably should start using home row. [quote:2f9c9]Unfortunately, that is your contention, and only a contingent truth. Furthermore, I ask you to present this so-called evidence of a deity or creational entity: I'm not honestly asking, because I know for a fact that you cannot provide any factual / tangible evidence but just humor me for a moment, if you can. [/quote:2f9c9] YOu want ecidence of God's exsistance? Well just look ate the world, its tangible. How could everything get so complex with out s supreme beign creating it? How could have all the particles that where part of the "Big Bang", if that really happend, been formed all on their own? Also read the Bible, just give it a good read, look at all the prophecies Jesus met, no man has done something likke that. Another thing is, look at a person who is truly save by Jesus, look how much happier they are, and how content they are, and how their life changes. Ask God to help you see Him, He will be more than happy to do it. [quote:2f9c9]OK, the bible says God is loving and forgiving. Therefore God must have created us because he loved us and care about us.....then he suddenly leaves us to fend for ourselves! (look at the state of the world around you) Then theres the concept of all those who does not believe about him or know him must suddenly go to hell to suffer eternal pain and damnation. Now what kind of caring and loving father would do that to his children and send them to eternal pain. Its simply ludricious. The whole concept of heaven and hell therefore to me is fake, you know how the church in the past has so clearly altered the bible mixing it with other pagan philosophies in order to fit their selfish needsn. This whole heaven and hell thing was in my opinion put in order to control the kings and queens from breaking away from the church. I'm sure there something far more unique than "beleive in God and you will goto Heaven, dont beleive in God and you will burn in hell". Its jsut that the bible has been altered too much by man to gain power....as usual. [/quote:2f9c9] Well, God does love us, and has not left us here to fend for ourselves. As for thoe who do not believe, then yes they do go to Hell, but you cannot say God does not love us, becuase He gives you an easy way to Heaven, just accept His son, Jesus. The Chruch has not always represented the true face of Christ, and thsi is really sad becuase of all the people they hurt. Now you might say, well some people never hear the message, well for tose people, I believe if they live justly they to will see Heaven. So like it or not there is a Heaven and there is a Hell, its up to you which one you choose to go to.[/quote:2f9c9] you still havent answered my statement. How do you know there is a heaven or hell? If GOd loves humans why does he send them to hell for eternal pain. As I said the bible these past few centuries have been clearly changed by other pagan philosophies (for example trinity) how do you know all this thing is true. If the church has not represented the true face of christ than this whole thing aint true since nearly all we learnt was from the church.