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Originally Posted by Tiwaz
We are still ignorant of many forces and realities. Thinking we are not is being naïve. Wo do not know all. I personally believe we're not even close. I also believe the human mind is capable of so much more than we know of at this time. We will evolve further. Too bad I will not be around the next 100,000,000 years. Maybe we (mankind) will not even survive that long.
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I have never been under the impression that we know all and, as such, there is proof that God does not exist.
Of course we don't know everything and it's obvious that we do not use our brains to the full capacity but until we do and I see evidence of that then I will use what knowledge I do have to draw my own conclusions.
I have more knowledge of how humans work than the average person who was alive 2000 years ago, that was my point. In that case I am more subject to question the reality of religion.
My conclusion, and mine alone, is that science shows me more about the way my body and mind work and develop than religion. We evolved. We were not created as if from clay and placed on this planet, whole humans. Science tells me that and it makes a lot more sense to me than any religious theories.
I don't completely discount the idea that there is a higher conscience, either within our own minds or in some ethereal plane, but until I see it for myself then I don't see the point to bothering myself with it.
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Originally Posted by Tiwaz
Why generalize religion? Surely you are being sarcastic about the robe and beard, that's what they tell children.
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Lol, yes of course I was.
[quote:b409a] But if didn't exist, how could it become something? [/quote:b409a] The universe is a great unknown. That nothing could be created from nothing is the great mystery. Discussing that and religion is futile, nothing can prove nor discprove anything if you know nothing of it to start with.
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Things like this are the reason for the existence of religion. A zillion years ago it was because we did not understand what a thunderstorm was all about [/quote:b409a]
That is
exactly what I meant!
Religion was created to answer questions about unknown phenomena.
Humans did not know what caused death, pain, anger, happiness, lust, rain, trees, sunshine, snow and everything else that they encountered daily.
[quote:b409a](and even nowadays we can not completely comprehend and predict the nature of a thunderstorm)[/quote:b409a] But we do know a lot more than people did 2000 years ago, don't we?
We have many more answers than they did. We understand how things work a lot more.
Religion is formed from awe.
If you do not understand how something works, why it happens or how to control it you will be in awe of it. You may even fear it.
The more you know about something, the less it awes you. If you can control it then you will fear it less.
If you could possibly take a huge TV back to before Christ and play a music video in front of thousands of people then there is every chance that they would believe they were seeing a God. They might even worship it, write about it and tell stories about it.
To them there is no way to explain it so they will find ways to explain it to themselves. They would have every right to believe in it... After-all they don't know any better, do they? And thousands of years later that would hold true.
If it gives happiness then good.
[quote:b409a]And, okay then, we're back to the basis of religion: Faith. Whether you like it or not: Everybody is a believer. Either you believe in a God/higher being/etc. or you don't believe. A disbeliever? No. You're not sure are you?[/quote:b409a] I am totally sure what I believe in.
I believe in happiness, sharing and my familly. I believe in love, doing my best and having fun.
I believe in a lot of things.
I try my best to live a good life, to help and support others. I try to have fun. I try to make a difference in my life.
I, and any other person in this world, can do all of that without even being told what God and religion is.
Being a good person is
not dependant on being religious. Most Agnostics and Atheists understand that.
Religious people tend not to.
And when I die?
I will hope that I will live on in the hearts and memories of my familly and friends. If that happens, and I am sure it will, then I will die a happy man.