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Innoxx · 08-11-2003, 11:36 PM

[quote="Pvt Flagg":5c91f]the bar ..and springfieald model 03 both chamber a 7.62x55 mm cartrige ...

and for this im cuting and pasteing from a firearms doc

Did You Know?
In World War I, the Winchester Model 1897 quickly became known as the trench broom, for it's ability to clear the trenches of opponents and sweep the skies of grenades. Using buckshot loads, US soldiers could deflect enemy hand grenades hurled through the air.
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and as for the 7mm mouser ..it fires a 7.92 mm round ..but was made for ww1 ..and had chambering problems ..

Flagg

Operation Air cooled, gas operated, magazine fed, shoulder type
M1918A1 selective fire (fully and semi-automatic)
M1918A2 fully automatic
Caliber .30 (7.62 mm)
Muzzle velocity 853.4 mps (2800 fps)
Capacity 20-round detachable box magazine
(1) Bandoleer (BAR belt): 12 magazines
(2) Magazine changeable in 2-4 seconds
(but averaged 6-8 seconds in combat)
Weight 8.33 kg (18.5 lbs)
Overall length 119.4 cm (47 in.)
Rate of fire 550 rounds per minute
Effective range 550m (600 yds)
Ammunition (1) Ball M2; 150 gr bullet, 50 gr charge
(2) Tracer M25, M1: for designating targets and signalling
(3) Armor piercing M2 (black tip); 165gr/53gr
(4) Armor piercing incendiary: for lightly armored flammable targets

god i love bar's![/quote:5c91f]

I'd really like to see you load an ORIGINAL american long rifle (M1, M1903, M1918) with a .308 caliber cartridge. The M1897 was phased out in the late 20's and was replaced by the Windchester M-12. The M1897 was an extreme rarity in ww2. It's commercial name is the 8mm Mauser, round off you cocksucker. Spell the fucking name right too.

The BAR was a piece of shit. The reason it wasn't phased out after WW1 was because the war dept. simply didn't have anything better to use as a squad based support weapon. It was too light to be classified as an LMG and too heavy to be classified as an assault rifle. Which in turn meant that sustained fire from the BAR would be nearly impossible due to the light barrel and frame. It would lose its bearing after the first shot. Another bad thing about the BAR was the 20 round box magazine, which meant that the operator would have to reload frequently putting the firer in unessesary harm. I'd much rather march into battle with a DP28, Bren, ZB26, Type 99, Hotchkiss and/or MG34.

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Innoxx is Offline Senior Member Posts: 8,546 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: I don't know	08-11-2003, 11:36 PM [quote="Pvt Flagg":5c91f]the bar ..and springfieald model 03 both chamber a 7.62x55 mm cartrige ... and for this im cuting and pasteing from a firearms doc Did You Know? In World War I, the Winchester Model 1897 quickly became known as the trench broom, for it's ability to clear the trenches of opponents and sweep the skies of grenades. Using buckshot loads, US soldiers could deflect enemy hand grenades hurled through the air. .................................................. .................................................. ..... and as for the 7mm mouser ..it fires a 7.92 mm round ..but was made for ww1 ..and had chambering problems .. Flagg Operation Air cooled, gas operated, magazine fed, shoulder type M1918A1 selective fire (fully and semi-automatic) M1918A2 fully automatic Caliber .30 (7.62 mm) Muzzle velocity 853.4 mps (2800 fps) Capacity 20-round detachable box magazine (1) Bandoleer (BAR belt): 12 magazines (2) Magazine changeable in 2-4 seconds (but averaged 6-8 seconds in combat) Weight 8.33 kg (18.5 lbs) Overall length 119.4 cm (47 in.) Rate of fire 550 rounds per minute Effective range 550m (600 yds) Ammunition (1) Ball M2; 150 gr bullet, 50 gr charge (2) Tracer M25, M1: for designating targets and signalling (3) Armor piercing M2 (black tip); 165gr/53gr (4) Armor piercing incendiary: for lightly armored flammable targets god i love bar's![/quote:5c91f] I'd really like to see you load an ORIGINAL american long rifle (M1, M1903, M1918) with a .308 caliber cartridge. The M1897 was phased out in the late 20's and was replaced by the Windchester M-12. The M1897 was an extreme rarity in ww2. It's commercial name is the 8mm Mauser, round off you cocksucker. Spell the fucking name right too. The BAR was a piece of shit. The reason it wasn't phased out after WW1 was because the war dept. simply didn't have anything better to use as a squad based support weapon. It was too light to be classified as an LMG and too heavy to be classified as an assault rifle. Which in turn meant that sustained fire from the BAR would be nearly impossible due to the light barrel and frame. It would lose its bearing after the first shot. Another bad thing about the BAR was the 20 round box magazine, which meant that the operator would have to reload frequently putting the firer in unessesary harm. I'd much rather march into battle with a DP28, Bren, ZB26, Type 99, Hotchkiss and/or MG34.