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Miscguy · 09-04-2003, 10:07 AM

Ok this bullshit about nato 5.56 tumbling when it exits the barrel, what the fuck are you people smoking? If any round tumbled out of a barrel aside from a muzzel loaded non rifled weapon, no one in the world would fire it. The only point a 5.56 round tumbles is when it strikes a human target. On impact the round buzz saws and tumbles through the body producing etream internal wounds a target will likly survive from for a few days, then die from internal injurys if not properly treated. It is a very sound millitary tactic using the logic that it takes far more resources to care for a wounded soldier than it does one on the front lines. In this way your thining there front line resources, medical supplies, and other items. Its not so much to make 2 people have to carry him off the battelfield in a literal sense as it is a metafore for holding up there entire system.

Now what you may have heard about the 5.56 round and mistaken it for tumbling, is its arc. All projectiles have them no matter how fast they go. Higher the speed the flatter the arc, slower speed, more arc. In other words firing a 5.56 round at a traget 300m away takes proper prediction of the fall of the bullet. While firing a 7.62 round at that range means you wouldnt have to account for much bullet fall what so ever.

The 5.56 vs the 7.62 round debate was solved when even the russians went with a smaller higher velocity round. The 5.45mm round in the Ak-74 that was developed after the russinas say what the 5.56 had done in the m-16 in vietnam. Kalashnikov himself has spoke to the value of the smaller round.

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Miscguy is Offline 2nd Lieutenant Posts: 3,811 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Redmond, Home of Microsoft	09-04-2003, 10:07 AM Ok this bullshit about nato 5.56 tumbling when it exits the barrel, what the fuck are you people smoking? If any round tumbled out of a barrel aside from a muzzel loaded non rifled weapon, no one in the world would fire it. The only point a 5.56 round tumbles is when it strikes a human target. On impact the round buzz saws and tumbles through the body producing etream internal wounds a target will likly survive from for a few days, then die from internal injurys if not properly treated. It is a very sound millitary tactic using the logic that it takes far more resources to care for a wounded soldier than it does one on the front lines. In this way your thining there front line resources, medical supplies, and other items. Its not so much to make 2 people have to carry him off the battelfield in a literal sense as it is a metafore for holding up there entire system. Now what you may have heard about the 5.56 round and mistaken it for tumbling, is its arc. All projectiles have them no matter how fast they go. Higher the speed the flatter the arc, slower speed, more arc. In other words firing a 5.56 round at a traget 300m away takes proper prediction of the fall of the bullet. While firing a 7.62 round at that range means you wouldnt have to account for much bullet fall what so ever. The 5.56 vs the 7.62 round debate was solved when even the russians went with a smaller higher velocity round. The 5.45mm round in the Ak-74 that was developed after the russinas say what the 5.56 had done in the m-16 in vietnam. Kalashnikov himself has spoke to the value of the smaller round.