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Tripper · 09-22-2003, 01:59 PM

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":c268e]Ive seen a little of it, but I got tired pretty quick. Im a big "gun nut" so movies like these make me angry. I could be wrong, but Moore is not against gun ownership is he? Why not look at the 99.9999999999% of legal gun owners who are normal, not crazy nuts who go out and shoot road signs on the weekend. I love to shoot guns, it is a fun pastime, I can't see why anybody with some sense would be against it. Guns may be outlawed, but as they say the outlaws will always have guns, and this is very true.[/quote:c268e]

I don't think he was taking a poke at owning a gun at all. Just at the people that show no common-sense when dealing with them, i.e, Bank, Crazy Guy who stuck gun to his head, K-Mart....

[quote="Big Jake":c268e]1. The film blamed everyone in the American Society EXCEPT the gunmen. He didn't even think of that. I'll just blame, the NRA, K-Mart, Video Games, Heavy Metal, the U.S. Armed Forces but those 2 nut jobs that actually did the shooting, I won't blame them.[/quote:c268e]

Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault.

I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate.

[quote="Big Jake":c268e] 3. Flaming the NRA, saying they had no right in Denver, they weren't welcomed, and basically waving them off as a bunch of gun nuts. Just b/c Heston was using his rights of Free Speech, (which I might add the director was using) But his "Ambush" Of Heston wasn't very well played out. Heston did a good job defending the NRA, and the rights of all Americans. (My hats off to Heston for that) In the end, I think the director looked like a moron even though he played it off like he was the righteous crusader who was right.[/quote:c268e]

I'm sick of people using Free Speech as an excuse to go around saying what ever the fuck they want...

Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech:

KKK
Neo-Nazis
Black Panthers
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson

.....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate.

When Charlton Heston went into those towns after those two gun tradgedies, he was acting inappropriately (In my view). He should of at least waited a few days or weeks for people to mourn their dead. It's just insensitive going their so prematurely.

That's like saying if a gay kid was murdered in cold blood just because he was gay, it is alright for a Gay-Hate group to go to the town where he was murdered and impose their anti-gay messages on the mourning townspeople. It's fucking sick.

Everyone has free speech - But sadly, not everyone has common-sense.

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Tripper is Offline General of the Army Posts: 18,895 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	09-22-2003, 01:59 PM [quote="Duke_of_Ray":c268e]Ive seen a little of it, but I got tired pretty quick. Im a big "gun nut" so movies like these make me angry. I could be wrong, but Moore is not against gun ownership is he? Why not look at the 99.9999999999% of legal gun owners who are normal, not crazy nuts who go out and shoot road signs on the weekend. I love to shoot guns, it is a fun pastime, I can't see why anybody with some sense would be against it. Guns may be outlawed, but as they say the outlaws will always have guns, and this is very true.[/quote:c268e] I don't think he was taking a poke at owning a gun at all. Just at the people that show no common-sense when dealing with them, i.e, Bank, Crazy Guy who stuck gun to his head, K-Mart.... [quote="Big Jake":c268e]1. The film blamed everyone in the American Society EXCEPT the gunmen. He didn't even think of that. I'll just blame, the NRA, K-Mart, Video Games, Heavy Metal, the U.S. Armed Forces but those 2 nut jobs that actually did the shooting, I won't blame them.[/quote:c268e] Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault. I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate. [quote="Big Jake":c268e] 3. Flaming the NRA, saying they had no right in Denver, they weren't welcomed, and basically waving them off as a bunch of gun nuts. Just b/c Heston was using his rights of Free Speech, (which I might add the director was using) But his "Ambush" Of Heston wasn't very well played out. Heston did a good job defending the NRA, and the rights of all Americans. (My hats off to Heston for that) In the end, I think the director looked like a moron even though he played it off like he was the righteous crusader who was right.[/quote:c268e] I'm sick of people using Free Speech as an excuse to go around saying what ever the fuck they want... Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech: KKK Neo-Nazis Black Panthers Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson .....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate. When Charlton Heston went into those towns after those two gun tradgedies, he was acting inappropriately (In my view). He should of at least waited a few days or weeks for people to mourn their dead. It's just insensitive going their so prematurely. That's like saying if a gay kid was murdered in cold blood just because he was gay, it is alright for a Gay-Hate group to go to the town where he was murdered and impose their anti-gay messages on the mourning townspeople. It's fucking sick. Everyone has free speech - But sadly, not everyone has common-sense.