[quote=Tripper]
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Originally Posted by "Duke_of_Ray":04e88
Ive seen a little of it, but I got tired pretty quick. Im a big "gun nut" so movies like these make me angry. I could be wrong, but Moore is not against gun ownership is he? Why not look at the 99.9999999999% of legal gun owners who are normal, not crazy nuts who go out and shoot road signs on the weekend. I love to shoot guns, it is a fun pastime, I can't see why anybody with some sense would be against it. Guns may be outlawed, but as they say the outlaws will always have guns, and this is very true.
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I don't think he was taking a poke at owning a gun at all. Just at the people that show no common-sense when dealing with them, i.e, Bank, Crazy Guy who stuck gun to his head, K-Mart....
[quote="Big Jake":04e88]1. The film blamed everyone in the American Society EXCEPT the gunmen. He didn't even think of that. I'll just blame, the NRA, K-Mart, Video Games, Heavy Metal, the U.S. Armed Forces but those 2 nut jobs that actually did the shooting, I won't blame them.[/quote:04e88]
Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault.
I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate.
[quote="Big Jake":04e88] 3. Flaming the NRA, saying they had no right in Denver, they weren't welcomed, and basically waving them off as a bunch of gun nuts. Just b/c Heston was using his rights of Free Speech, (which I might add the director was using) But his "Ambush" Of Heston wasn't very well played out. Heston did a good job defending the NRA, and the rights of all Americans. (My hats off to Heston for that) In the end, I think the director looked like a moron even though he played it off like he was the righteous crusader who was right.[/quote:04e88]
I'm sick of people using Free Speech as an excuse to go around saying what ever the fuck they want...
Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech:
KKK
Neo-Nazis
Black Panthers
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson
.....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate.
When Charlton Heston went into those towns after those two gun tradgedies, he was acting inappropriately (In my view). He should of at least waited a few days or weeks for people to mourn their dead. It's just insensitive going their so prematurely.
That's like saying if a gay kid was murdered in cold blood just because he was gay, it is alright for a Gay-Hate group to go to the town where he was murdered and impose their anti-gay messages on the mourning townspeople. It's fucking sick.
Everyone has free speech - But sadly, not everyone has common-sense.[/quote:04e88]
Tripper:
"Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault.
I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate."
He may have not come out and say it was their fault, just like he didn't come out and say that it was the U.S. Militarys fault. Even though he actually went in depth to see why they were the scape goats however, the way he portrayed them it was as though they were somehow responsible. By saying that their violent music may be 1 of the reasons why there is so much violence in America.
I think maybe you need to concentrate more as what is being said.
Tripper:
"Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech:
KKK
Neo-Nazis
Black Panthers
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson
.....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate."
Your list is pretty good except your missing 1 important group. THE PEOPLE.
Our Constitution clearly begins, "We THE PEOPLE"
Granted that since they do have the right of free speech doesn't make what they are saying appropriate who are you to say what is? Every Sunday in London, isn't there a park that were if anybody has something to say they stand up on little latters, soap Boxes etc and say it? Whether or not you agree with what they are saying thats your right. But its not your right to decided what is right to say and what isn't.
Tripper:
"When Charlton Heston went into those towns after those two gun tradgedies, he was acting inappropriately (In my view). He should of at least waited a few days or weeks for people to mourn their dead. It's just insensitive going their so prematurely."
Ok, so waiting a few weeks/months would have done what? Nothing. No matter when he would have came it would have been the same result. Fact, the NRA wasn't responsible for what happened. This is what gets me, people are blaming everyone but the 2 kids that went in there and lit the place up. Oh, the NRA is responsible just b/c they promote gun ownership. Thats Bull!! The NRA didn't put the guns in those 2 kids hands. The NRA didn't give the kids the Ammo needed for those guns. The NRA certainly didn't make the plan for the kids to enter Columbine and start shooting the place up. So how is it insensitive for the NRA to have their LEGAL Rally? The Movie also edited to hell the speach that Heston made making him look like a nut. What was the first scene that you saw of the Rally? Heston holding his musket above his head saying "From my cold dead hands"
Yeah thats playing them off fair....
Tripper:
"That's like saying if a gay kid was murdered in cold blood just because he was gay, it is alright for a Gay-Hate group to go to the town where he was murdered and impose their anti-gay messages on the mourning townspeople. It's fucking sick."
Thats a different issue. Not exactly correct of the one we are talking about. The NRA doesn't promote gun violence. They promote your Constitution Right to Bear Arms. Does that mean violence? No. Concentrate more on that.