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Tripper · 09-22-2003, 04:47 PM

[quote="Big Jake":2c77e]
Tripper:
"Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault.

I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate."

He may have not come out and say it was their fault, just like he didn't come out and say that it was the U.S. Militarys fault. Even though he actually went in depth to see why they were the scape goats however, the way he portrayed them it was as though they were somehow responsible. By saying that their violent music may be 1 of the reasons why there is so much violence in America.
I think maybe you need to concentrate more as what is being said.
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Care to elaborate on "how he portrayed them"?
Because, as it is, I think that's pure bullshit.

[quote="Big Jake":2c77e]Tripper:
"Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech:

KKK
Neo-Nazis
Black Panthers
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson

.....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate."

Your list is pretty good except your missing 1 important group. THE PEOPLE.
Our Constitution clearly begins, "We THE PEOPLE"
Granted that since they do have the right of free speech doesn't make what they are saying appropriate who are you to say what is? Every Sunday in London, isn't there a park that were if anybody has something to say they stand up on little latters, soap Boxes etc and say it? Whether or not you agree with what they are saying thats your right. But its not your right to decided what is right to say and what isn't.
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WTF?

There is a difference between agreeing/disagreeing with a point being pushed, and, disagreeing/agreeing with whether or not it is insensitive to clearly state your points in certain contexts.

What if your mother was randomly shot dead, and the day after someone decided to come over to your house and say that "The bitch deserved it."

Would you appreciate that act of 'Free Speech?' I think not.

See? Sure people have free speech, but unless you want to come off as a total asshole, and hurt other people while doing so, you have to show some sensitivity when using it.

It fucking pisses me off when people do that fucking "Free Speech" shit, when its absolutely inappropriate, acting as if they're totally and morally right in doing so, because it is a human right. annoy:

....Remember, this is just generally talking about the 'I can say what I want when I want because of free speech,' debate. Not focused on BFC.

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Tripper is Offline General of the Army Posts: 18,895 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	09-22-2003, 04:47 PM [quote="Big Jake":2c77e] Tripper: "Hmmmm - Where did he blame Rock Stars or Video Games? What I saw, was Moore just explaining that they were the typical scapegoats. I didn't ever hear him say it was their fault. I think you need to watch it again, and actually concentrate." He may have not come out and say it was their fault, just like he didn't come out and say that it was the U.S. Militarys fault. Even though he actually went in depth to see why they were the scape goats however, the way he portrayed them it was as though they were somehow responsible. By saying that their violent music may be 1 of the reasons why there is so much violence in America. I think maybe you need to concentrate more as what is being said. [/quote:2c77e] Care to elaborate on "how he portrayed them"? Because, as it is, I think that's pure bullshit. [quote="Big Jake":2c77e]Tripper: "Yeah, we all have free speech, sure. Let's examine who exercises their right to free speech: KKK Neo-Nazis Black Panthers Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson .....Just because they exercise Free Speech, doesn't automatically make what they're saying appropriate." Your list is pretty good except your missing 1 important group. THE PEOPLE. Our Constitution clearly begins, "We THE PEOPLE" Granted that since they do have the right of free speech doesn't make what they are saying appropriate who are you to say what is? Every Sunday in London, isn't there a park that were if anybody has something to say they stand up on little latters, soap Boxes etc and say it? Whether or not you agree with what they are saying thats your right. But its not your right to decided what is right to say and what isn't. [/quote:2c77e] WTF? There is a difference between agreeing/disagreeing with a point being pushed, and, disagreeing/agreeing with whether or not it is insensitive to clearly state your points in certain contexts. What if your mother was randomly shot dead, and the day after someone decided to come over to your house and say that "The bitch deserved it." Would you appreciate that act of 'Free Speech?' I think not. See? Sure people have free speech, but unless you want to come off as a total asshole, and hurt other people while doing so, you have to show some sensitivity when using it. It fucking pisses me off when people do that fucking "Free Speech" shit, when its absolutely inappropriate, acting as if they're totally and morally right in doing so, because it is a human right. annoy: ....Remember, this is just generally talking about the 'I can say what I want when I want because of free speech,' debate. Not focused on BFC.