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Chango · 02-09-2004, 02:34 AM

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]But you dont understand, how do you think the world was formed? Yes by all these molcules and atoms crap, but what made the molecules and atoms? And what made those? And what made those? Did all this just appear out of no were? How is there infinity?[/quote:a8f6b]

That could literally be anything, that's invalid as proof either way.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Who wrote the Bible if God didnt? It would of had to have been a very smart person because most people then couldnt even spell, and then why take so much time in making something up?[/quote:a8f6b]

The bible was written by man not god, the old testament was passed down and adapted from hebrew scrolls and the new testament was written some years (at least 100) after christ's death by several different people that all had slightly different versions of the life of Christ (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John) that were adapted from stories passed down throughout the years.

And there were several languages and alphabets that many people knew (the greeks and egyptians for example,) but most likely a farmer or a herder didn't write it.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Who was Jesus? And yes there is phisical profe Jesus was alive, eather that or there was just a whole period of time on this Earth were everyone pretended there was and made the things such as the cross from which Jesus was crusified on AND THEY FOUND THE REMAINS!!!![/quote:a8f6b]

Jesus could've been anyone, and do you have a link that shows that they found his remains? Or are you talking about the cloth that he was wrapped in after his death? (which is being bounced back and forth as a hoax or not)

And the Romans common practice of execution was crucifixion on a cross, so there's nothing significant about that. However the Catholic Church adapted the cross as it's symbol.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]How do you explain "Crying Statues"? And what do you think that for these millions of years something some dumbnut made up really explanded this long? No...its real its all real just open your heart not your eyes and believe!!! [/quote:a8f6b]

The crying statues could've been a hoax, unknown phenomenon, unusual weather or supernatural occurances, there has never been any definate proof that god really exists or doesn't exist.

And for these thousands of years (you do know that christ was supposed to be born 2000 years ago right?) religion has been controlled by those in power. Especially during the middle ages, when the church was extremely corrupt and being abused by both the kings and it's pope. Since its really easy to control masses for people when they have something or someone to believe in. The Japanese believed their emperor was a representation of god on Earth and would do anything to protect that belief (along with several other cultures.) The Muslim fanatics are a very recognizable example of abuse of faith in their religion. Even the Europeans believed that the kings were divinely chosen and put their faith in them while they continued to tax them into poverty. And from this abuse traditions were made and in the 2000 years it's become an expanded religion with multiple versions of the same basic idea.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Cmon, if you dont believe in him, then for 1 year, just 1 year, completely give yourself to God and see what happens. Go to church read the Bible, have you ever read the Bible? You would be absolutley amazed on how much it relates to the modern world!! Just try to believe in him, you will if you try and you will live a wonderful life!!! Now you say you already have one? Do you and your wife yell a lot? Do you have a low paying job? Could you have got a better one or had one you enjoyed more? Are you picked on at school?

Seriously THINK about those questions....and read the Bible wether you believe or not it answers a lot and helps you improve yourself.[/quote:a8f6b]

Believing in the bible and god for one year isn't going to change anyones life completely around. Though your faith is truly admirable, I'm beginning to wonder whether you've actually read the bible yourself (unless you have a completely different version then I've grown up with)

And why are you so sure that your religion is the correct religion for all we know the greeks could've had it right all along, but it was falsely labelled as mythology.

And back on the original topic, homosexuality isn't going to going to lead to the downfall of america and certainly wont have a direct effect on your morals, just let them do what they want in the privacy of their own homes like any other american would want. You don't have to deal with them unless you choose to, don't force your own prejudice and beliefs on them just because you don't agree with it.

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Chango is Offline Sergeant Posts: 1,113 Join Date: Oct 2002	02-09-2004, 02:34 AM [quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]But you dont understand, how do you think the world was formed? Yes by all these molcules and atoms crap, but what made the molecules and atoms? And what made those? And what made those? Did all this just appear out of no were? How is there infinity?[/quote:a8f6b] That could literally be anything, that's invalid as proof either way. [quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Who wrote the Bible if God didnt? It would of had to have been a very smart person because most people then couldnt even spell, and then why take so much time in making something up?[/quote:a8f6b] The bible was written by man not god, the old testament was passed down and adapted from hebrew scrolls and the new testament was written some years (at least 100) after christ's death by several different people that all had slightly different versions of the life of Christ (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John) that were adapted from stories passed down throughout the years. And there were several languages and alphabets that many people knew (the greeks and egyptians for example,) but most likely a farmer or a herder didn't write it. [quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Who was Jesus? And yes there is phisical profe Jesus was alive, eather that or there was just a whole period of time on this Earth were everyone pretended there was and made the things such as the cross from which Jesus was crusified on AND THEY FOUND THE REMAINS!!!![/quote:a8f6b] Jesus could've been anyone, and do you have a link that shows that they found his remains? Or are you talking about the cloth that he was wrapped in after his death? (which is being bounced back and forth as a hoax or not) And the Romans common practice of execution was crucifixion on a cross, so there's nothing significant about that. However the Catholic Church adapted the cross as it's symbol. [quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]How do you explain "Crying Statues"? And what do you think that for these millions of years something some dumbnut made up really explanded this long? No...its real its all real just open your heart not your eyes and believe!!! [/quote:a8f6b] The crying statues could've been a hoax, unknown phenomenon, unusual weather or supernatural occurances, there has never been any definate proof that god really exists or doesn't exist. And for these thousands of years (you do know that christ was supposed to be born 2000 years ago right?) religion has been controlled by those in power. Especially during the middle ages, when the church was extremely corrupt and being abused by both the kings and it's pope. Since its really easy to control masses for people when they have something or someone to believe in. The Japanese believed their emperor was a representation of god on Earth and would do anything to protect that belief (along with several other cultures.) The Muslim fanatics are a very recognizable example of abuse of faith in their religion. Even the Europeans believed that the kings were divinely chosen and put their faith in them while they continued to tax them into poverty. And from this abuse traditions were made and in the 2000 years it's become an expanded religion with multiple versions of the same basic idea. [quote="Pvt.Pinhead":a8f6b]Cmon, if you dont believe in him, then for 1 year, just 1 year, completely give yourself to God and see what happens. Go to church read the Bible, have you ever read the Bible? You would be absolutley amazed on how much it relates to the modern world!! Just try to believe in him, you will if you try and you will live a wonderful life!!! Now you say you already have one? Do you and your wife yell a lot? Do you have a low paying job? Could you have got a better one or had one you enjoyed more? Are you picked on at school? Seriously THINK about those questions....and read the Bible wether you believe or not it answers a lot and helps you improve yourself.[/quote:a8f6b] Believing in the bible and god for one year isn't going to change anyones life completely around. Though your faith is truly admirable, I'm beginning to wonder whether you've actually read the bible yourself (unless you have a completely different version then I've grown up with) And why are you so sure that your religion is the correct religion for all we know the greeks could've had it right all along, but it was falsely labelled as mythology. And back on the original topic, homosexuality isn't going to going to lead to the downfall of america and certainly wont have a direct effect on your morals, just let them do what they want in the privacy of their own homes like any other american would want. You don't have to deal with them unless you choose to, don't force your own prejudice and beliefs on them just because you don't agree with it.