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jujumantb · 05-14-2004, 11:33 PM

[quote="TGB!":c253c]My bottom line is this. The sugar plum fairy image of everyone-equal despite your talent, is a nice thought, but flawed. America has problems yes, but innovation and progress are products of our system, not stagnation. I provided facts (links available upon request or you can just google - but it should be common sense), that says versus a Socialist government with a higher HDI, the unemployment rate of the United States is only 1.5% higher. 1.5! Shouldnt that number be significantly higher if Democratic Socialism is so much better than capatalism?

I work my ass off, and yanno what I dont mind doing it. Why? Because I'm proud of the work I do, and proud that I'm BETTER than the guy next to me. In your world, I bust my ass to cover the shortcomings of someone else, yet we still reap the same rewards. No thanks. CEO's and executives make more because for whatever reason they earned their spots. Is there rampant nepotism and favortism in this country. Hell yea. But there are also incredible success stories that would not be possible without capatalism. [/quote:c253c]
First off, good post, I'll give it to ya, well written.
Most of the facts you quoted were beside the point. Especially the unemployment rates which mean nothing to my side of it. Unemployment is part of any economy with competition for jobs. You seem to be neglecting the fact that those countries have this too! Not much different than the US and thus, they have unemployment. The rear beautiful part comes in with what happens to those unemployed people. They are helped. Not just thrown money to get by, but re-educated and brought back into society. I hope you understand now that those unemployement facts mean little. Other than that, the rest of your post is strsight up you opinion and is a pretty solid one. I agree you shouldnt have to bust your ass to make up for someone else, but when everyone can work together, there is little to none of what you described. Granted, that is not easy to reach, but that is a goal of socialism. It has its downfalls as you mentioned just like we have, but if pulled off, it can be a great system.

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jujumantb is Offline 2nd Lieutenant Posts: 3,527 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Laguna, Beach woowow Posts: 18463	05-14-2004, 11:33 PM [quote="TGB!":c253c]My bottom line is this. The sugar plum fairy image of everyone-equal despite your talent, is a nice thought, but flawed. America has problems yes, but innovation and progress are products of our system, not stagnation. I provided facts (links available upon request or you can just google - but it should be common sense), that says versus a Socialist government with a higher HDI, the unemployment rate of the United States is only 1.5% higher. 1.5! Shouldnt that number be significantly higher if Democratic Socialism is so much better than capatalism? I work my ass off, and yanno what I dont mind doing it. Why? Because I'm proud of the work I do, and proud that I'm BETTER than the guy next to me. In your world, I bust my ass to cover the shortcomings of someone else, yet we still reap the same rewards. No thanks. CEO's and executives make more because for whatever reason they earned their spots. Is there rampant nepotism and favortism in this country. Hell yea. But there are also incredible success stories that would not be possible without capatalism. [/quote:c253c] First off, good post, I'll give it to ya, well written. Most of the facts you quoted were beside the point. Especially the unemployment rates which mean nothing to my side of it. Unemployment is part of any economy with competition for jobs. You seem to be neglecting the fact that those countries have this too! Not much different than the US and thus, they have unemployment. The rear beautiful part comes in with what happens to those unemployed people. They are helped. Not just thrown money to get by, but re-educated and brought back into society. I hope you understand now that those unemployement facts mean little. Other than that, the rest of your post is strsight up you opinion and is a pretty solid one. I agree you shouldnt have to bust your ass to make up for someone else, but when everyone can work together, there is little to none of what you described. Granted, that is not easy to reach, but that is a goal of socialism. It has its downfalls as you mentioned just like we have, but if pulled off, it can be a great system.