[FWB]

Originally Posted by pest

lol - and your sources weren't anti-gun?

That's already been accepted. Where I have offered sources they've been from a fairly valid source (e.g. the FBI) or were backed up by another person (e.g. 30,000 people die each year from guns).

[quote:2475a]I went back and read your links. They were all articles, not stats. Hihgly influenced by the authors personal beliefs. The links I sent had actual stats from some Australian buruea. Not the interpertation of the stats, just stats.

I got the swiss comment there too.[/quote:2475a]

Well then it brings questions about the validity of your source as I've shown the Swiss comment was clearly a lie. If they're lying about that, one must question their stats.

At least my "opinions" came from fairly distingushed sources, such as academics, professors... one from Harvard.

[quote:2475a]I get sceptical (sp?) when an article is afaid to share its statistics.[/quote:2475a]

Like I've said, nothing I've said so far has yet to be questioned by other sources.

[quote:2475a]The thing about cars and guns and criminals vs normal citizens is this. Law abiding gun owners have no intent to kill people with their guns. You refuse to acknowledge that. It might be apples and oranges to you, but not to law abiding gun owners. Gun owners arent the problem, criminals are.[/quote:2475a]

And like I said (so you haven't been reading my posts), I'm aware of that, but sorry, tough shit . Gun control can reduce the criminal usage of them as Britain and Japan testify. But it goes deeper than this. The cultural indoctrination of guns is undoubtably a huge issue. Having gun users in society fuels the desensitization of them.

[quote:2475a]Now, now. Even your research says the crime stats for Japan mean nothing. All crimes there are much lower, not just gun crimes. Tsk, tsk.[/quote:2475a]

Yes, because there are strict policies concerning all crimes there.