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Originally Posted by Ferich
I went without saying, but my stand point was from before 38. I meant Hitler made a mistake by not recognizing the big picture. Without any of the later day facts being involved( since they didn't exist yet ), german indsutrial power and throwing in things from Mein Kempf ( hatred for jews, slavs and the "Allies" of ww1 ) into my theory, I think he definately made a mistake at the beginning to fight with weapons that "could only get the job done," or manifesting conflict with a broad scale of enemies without the big picture in mind. I'm speaking of before Hitler threatened to invade Czechoslovakia unless Britain supported Germany's plans to takeover the Sudetenland.
My original theory is just a blueprint to one of Hitler's biggest mistakes, imo.
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Hitler didn't really have a plan he just had a vague idea of what he wanted to do & exploited situations as they arose. Taking over France in something like 2 weeks with weapons that could 'only get the job done', is a job done well ihmo.
[quote:8b939] but with the fact that German industry was CAPABLE of producing and brainstorming these weapons into the picture at the early days of the war.[/quote:8b939]
England had a turbojet engine plan in 1930 but the fact that these machines and weapons werent used until 1945 shows that technologically they were not capable at the start of the war.
[quote:8b939]I'm mostly throwing WHAT IFS into the air with my original theory, not facts. Which is why I'm sort of puzzled as to why you ripped my theory apart. biggrin:[/quote:8b939]
Don't mean to rip it apart I just disagree with some of the things, I only mean to create an interesting topic of debate & remain on polite & gentlemanly terms I never go looking for an argument. Whatsoever the issue be I hope there is no animosity between us.
[quote:8b939]Hitler definately planned for a war. Diplomacy is part of any plan to go to war, as you can see that happening nowadays and a million times through history.[/quote:8b939]
Hitler didn't plan for a 'World War', when he declared in 1935 that the Luftwaffe was the size of, or bigger than the RAF he was lying. But since he said it he was immediately believed and when Churchill told the House of Commons about the threat from the Luftwaffe he was only doing Hitlers work for him and scaring everyone into believing that Hitler was a threat.
German re-armament was largely a myth until 1935 when Hitler had to start re-arming because everybody else was. Chiefs of staff plan for war because it is their job, when the German Cheifs of Staff met with the Italians before the war they discussed a war against Britain and France because that was the only likely one to happen. British and French Officers were discussing of a possible war against Germany and Italy but this is not held against them.
Hitler managed to take a large portion of Europe without firing a shot, he did this diplomatically through fear and intimidation. He never wanted a World War because he knew Germany could not win. He did want to attack Poland and possibly Russia to gain
lebensraum & because of the German victory against Russia which he believe was robbed from them in 1917. The only plan to attack France was a defensive one,
Plan Yellow which was essentially the
Schlieffen Plan in everything but name. When the German blitzkrieg broke through the Ardenne and threw the allies into retreat Hitler was able tp take over France as an unexpected bonus.
[quote:8b939] After he came to power he wanted to conquer Slav/French territory.[/quote:8b939] Slav but not French, unless perhaps it was Alsace Lorraine.
[quote:8b939]In conclusion, I was saying
if Hitler did turn toward a more advanced German Military and newage weapon production, the cards would've been in his hands. And his mistake at not seeing the big picture, cost him the war[/quote:8b939] An interesting theory but I think if Hitler was able to have these weapons at the start of the war he would have done so. It takes a long time for projects to get off the drawing board and onto the battlefield.