i have no problem with you,,,frick and frack kinda started this whole thing witch now has blown way out of porportion,,,,im sure your a great map creator,,although i do disagree wtih what you say about server side maps being just a novelty,,,,the players on my server enjoy the maps quite a bit,,i keep changin things around so it doesnt get boring for them,,,what it really comes down to is the player,,,what format he likes best,,,you dont have to be a brain sergon to figure out how you heard of my post in the first place,,,the problem here remains frick and his little friend frack just doin what they do best,,,causin shit,,,had they not got involved in the first plaCE this now entertaining post would have just slipped away with maybe a few people learning something about the different types of maps....so although you and i may disagree we can still carry on a conversation and come to some ageement even if its to just disagree,,,as for the 2 jackasses,,im sure people who read this whole thing will draw there own conclusion,,,,BUTCHER