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Originally Posted by GordonHall
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Originally Posted by Madmartagen
some points are valid, but i dont feel that my freedom is being threatened by anyone in Iraq. that being said, no one in iraq is protecting my freedom. afghanistan and africa, yes, but not iraq. the terrorists that may be in iraq are there because of the invasion, not because of saddam or because iraq was some sort of haven for terrorists. the real war on terror has become a sideshow to iraq. that is my opinion, and that line of thought would make me conclude that the people who died in iraq did so not because they died for freedom and liberty, but because they were lied to and dropped in the wrong country.
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You know, it's an interesting argument that the War has created more terrorists and has effectively made the United States less safe. However, the counter to that is 1990s policies of ignoring terrorism has caused more attacks on Americans than the War has. For example, Kenyan embassy bombing, Dar es Salaam first World Trade Center bombing, USS Cole, and 9/11. |
true, but what are we doing now to prevent another attack? we can invade each islamic country and 'democratize it' until each country has been set up by us and we will still have the same problem. the point of fighting a war is to win and to get a ending/conclusion out of it. we already know why they attack us, and its not that bs excuse of jealousy. we know why they are attacking us and we know what they want. they want our bases out of the middle east and they attack us for our support of israel. im not saying we should give in, but if you know why people hate you it is still best to fight them and maybe reconsider our position on things. do we need a base in kuwait or saudi arabia? we keep closing bases over here at home, but why not close those bases, arent they more expensive to keep? why are we such close friends with israel, what have they done for us? is it worth keeping a friend who spies on us, takes our money, steals land and fights a thousand year old grudge with islam and palestinians? it is so goddamned frustrating to see this country ignore our problems like this. if you were to see the US as a person, and each nation on this planet as a single person, then you might have a clearer view on what we look like from other peoples point of view.