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GordonHall · 08-26-2005, 02:19 PM

[quote:7b159]they want our bases out of the middle east and they attack us for our support of israel.[/quote:7b159]

Even if we left completely, we'd still be the enemy in their eyes. Christian men of the west will forever be the antagonizers of the Middle East in their eyes and there is nothing we can do about it except to try and set up a stable Iraqi country.

[quote:7b159]do we need a base in kuwait or saudi arabia? we keep closing bases over here at home, but why not close those bases, arent they more expensive to keep?[/quote:7b159]

Some may be more expensive, but they are rapid deployment spots set up after World War II and more recently in the case of an international emergency--or as of right now to keep troops in Iraq sustained--but also for the United Nations. We are actually closing many bases abroad as well, a large part of the European-American military bases will be closed and gone in the next five years.

I find it curious people are complaining about the loss of American military bases when Clinton cut way more military jobs than these base closings will.

[quote:7b159]Why are we such close friends with israel, what have they done for us?[/quote:7b159]

The question isn't what have they done for us, but what didn't we do for them. The British, Americans, and Soviets did not--for the most part--realize what the Nazis were actually doing in World War II and when we did see with our own eyes there was a huge sense of guilt.

Previous to that, the British had publicly opened interest in support of an Israeli state during World War I to stir support against the Ottoman Empire. Since then, Jews had been travelling en-mass to the Land of Milk and Honey, there was no way of sticking Israel anywhere else. Another suggested spot for Israel was Ethiopia which David Ben-Gurion--Israel's first prime minister--said they should have taken after they were invaded by Arab countries.

[quote:7b159]steals land and fights a thousand year old grudge with islam and palestinians?[/quote:7b159]

Actually, it's really the Palestinians who tried to 'steal land' if you want to play the blame game. All the countries outlined after the fall of the Ottoman Empire owe their existence not to ancient culture or religion but by recognition and borders--poorly drawn at that--by the United Nations and League of Nations. This isn't just Israel's grudge with Palestinians, it's Palestinians grudge with Israelis.

What's worse, the Palestinians have become the whores of the Arab world. Countries constantly intice them to attack to seize what is theirs but are unwilling to contribute any land to the creation of a Palestinian state.

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GordonHall is Offline Member Posts: 60 Join Date: Aug 2005	08-26-2005, 02:19 PM [quote:7b159]they want our bases out of the middle east and they attack us for our support of israel.[/quote:7b159] Even if we left completely, we'd still be the enemy in their eyes. Christian men of the west will forever be the antagonizers of the Middle East in their eyes and there is nothing we can do about it except to try and set up a stable Iraqi country. [quote:7b159]do we need a base in kuwait or saudi arabia? we keep closing bases over here at home, but why not close those bases, arent they more expensive to keep?[/quote:7b159] Some may be more expensive, but they are rapid deployment spots set up after World War II and more recently in the case of an international emergency--or as of right now to keep troops in Iraq sustained--but also for the United Nations. We are actually closing many bases abroad as well, a large part of the European-American military bases will be closed and gone in the next five years. I find it curious people are complaining about the loss of American military bases when Clinton cut way more military jobs than these base closings will. [quote:7b159]Why are we such close friends with israel, what have they done for us?[/quote:7b159] The question isn't what have they done for us, but what didn't we do for them. The British, Americans, and Soviets did not--for the most part--realize what the Nazis were actually doing in World War II and when we did see with our own eyes there was a huge sense of guilt. Previous to that, the British had publicly opened interest in support of an Israeli state during World War I to stir support against the Ottoman Empire. Since then, Jews had been travelling en-mass to the Land of Milk and Honey, there was no way of sticking Israel anywhere else. Another suggested spot for Israel was Ethiopia which David Ben-Gurion--Israel's first prime minister--said they should have taken after they were invaded by Arab countries. [quote:7b159]steals land and fights a thousand year old grudge with islam and palestinians?[/quote:7b159] Actually, it's really the Palestinians who tried to 'steal land' if you want to play the blame game. All the countries outlined after the fall of the Ottoman Empire owe their existence not to ancient culture or religion but by recognition and borders--poorly drawn at that--by the United Nations and League of Nations. This isn't just Israel's grudge with Palestinians, it's Palestinians grudge with Israelis. What's worse, the Palestinians have become the whores of the Arab world. Countries constantly intice them to attack to seize what is theirs but are unwilling to contribute any land to the creation of a Palestinian state.