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TGB! · 09-08-2005, 08:21 PM

[quote:10c52]It's an invasion of my personal privacy.[/quote:10c52]

On private property, or government property you have no "Personal Privacy". If you refuse to board the bus - you dont have to show your card. If you refuse to ride the subway - you dont have to have your bad searched. If you refuse to buy the liquor - you dont have to have your age verified.

[quote:10c52]This is all speculation of course, since the card isn't in use yet, but will be shortly.[/quote:10c52]

Doubtful - or in its current form and even SO - a national database of information isnt a bad idea, and goes to streamlining the sharing of information between not only the departments of the Fed government, but also the three branches of gov: fed, state and local.

[quote:10c52]If I am to use the card to access normal things such as public transportation or to enter buildings, it's basically a tracking device.[/quote:10c52]

Again - you have the choice to not use the service, and youre speculating on its use.

[quote:10c52]I suppose you could argue that this already does happen. And it does. Any type of plastic does this. Credit card, debit cards all record transactions specific times and places. The card goes a step further by integrating survelance. In order for anyone to basically go anywhere, you're going to have to use it.[/quote:10c52]

Show me the legislation that says if I'm to leave my house I need this card.

[quote:10c52]One other point we must consider is what is the purpose of the card.[/quote:10c52]

To create a WORKABLE database for the federal government to use in addressing the new age of Terrorism, here and globally. If you think thats soundbite information or lipservice - you need to think about how difficult it would have been for any of the 9/11 Hijackers to carry out their plans, if they had to use these cards to access any of the services they used.

[quote:10c52]Does it actually stop terrorists from detonating bombs? I don't see how it does.[/quote:10c52]

You dont see the benefit of a shared information database easilly accessible by the feds? How many of these 9/11 whackjobs used FAKE ID's to get what they needed? From the description of REAL ID's released a couple months ago - its going to be pretty damn hard to fake some of the measures built into the system. Illegals and would be terrorist can operate in this country because there is NO standard of indentification used across states. None. That is a SERIOUS problem.

[quote:10c52] If someone wants to blow something up, a card isn't going to stop them. The card however, impedes upon rights as a citizen of a free country. The citizens "suffer" while nothing changes about terrorism.[/quote:10c52]

Rhetoric. How - why. What "liberties" are being sacrificed? If you dont want the card - dont use it. You just cant drive a car, cant open a bank account, cant apply for a passport. . .etc. etc. But noone will have a gun to your head.

[quote:10c52]Sort of.[/quote:10c52]

Not sort of. They are.

[quote:10c52]I believe the US is not calling the people there POW's, thus they don't have access to certain rights granted by the geneva convention.[/quote:10c52]

They arent POW's as outlined in GENEVA. What country do they have allegiance to? What recognized body of Government. If a recognized group is willing to come out in support of these men - by all means. Noone has.

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TGB! is Offline Command Sergeant Major Posts: 2,644 Join Date: Dec 2003	09-08-2005, 08:21 PM [quote:10c52]It's an invasion of my personal privacy.[/quote:10c52] On private property, or government property you have no "Personal Privacy". If you refuse to board the bus - you dont have to show your card. If you refuse to ride the subway - you dont have to have your bad searched. If you refuse to buy the liquor - you dont have to have your age verified. [quote:10c52]This is all speculation of course, since the card isn't in use yet, but will be shortly.[/quote:10c52] Doubtful - or in its current form and even SO - a national database of information isnt a bad idea, and goes to streamlining the sharing of information between not only the departments of the Fed government, but also the three branches of gov: fed, state and local. [quote:10c52]If I am to use the card to access normal things such as public transportation or to enter buildings, it's basically a tracking device.[/quote:10c52] Again - you have the choice to not use the service, and youre speculating on its use. [quote:10c52]I suppose you could argue that this already does happen. And it does. Any type of plastic does this. Credit card, debit cards all record transactions specific times and places. The card goes a step further by integrating survelance. In order for anyone to basically go anywhere, you're going to have to use it.[/quote:10c52] Show me the legislation that says if I'm to leave my house I need this card. [quote:10c52]One other point we must consider is what is the purpose of the card.[/quote:10c52] To create a WORKABLE database for the federal government to use in addressing the new age of Terrorism, here and globally. If you think thats soundbite information or lipservice - you need to think about how difficult it would have been for any of the 9/11 Hijackers to carry out their plans, if they had to use these cards to access any of the services they used. [quote:10c52]Does it actually stop terrorists from detonating bombs? I don't see how it does.[/quote:10c52] You dont see the benefit of a shared information database easilly accessible by the feds? How many of these 9/11 whackjobs used FAKE ID's to get what they needed? From the description of REAL ID's released a couple months ago - its going to be pretty damn hard to fake some of the measures built into the system. Illegals and would be terrorist can operate in this country because there is NO standard of indentification used across states. None. That is a SERIOUS problem. [quote:10c52] If someone wants to blow something up, a card isn't going to stop them. The card however, impedes upon rights as a citizen of a free country. The citizens "suffer" while nothing changes about terrorism.[/quote:10c52] Rhetoric. How - why. What "liberties" are being sacrificed? If you dont want the card - dont use it. You just cant drive a car, cant open a bank account, cant apply for a passport. . .etc. etc. But noone will have a gun to your head. [quote:10c52]Sort of.[/quote:10c52] Not sort of. They are. [quote:10c52]I believe the US is not calling the people there POW's, thus they don't have access to certain rights granted by the geneva convention.[/quote:10c52] They arent POW's as outlined in GENEVA. What country do they have allegiance to? What recognized body of Government. If a recognized group is willing to come out in support of these men - by all means. Noone has.