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Tripper · 02-20-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

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Originally Posted by c312

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Originally Posted by Machette

Any stats on that? eek:

I haven't looked any up, but I'm sure they exist. here's some song lyrics that make a lot of sense about it:

[quote:a47f6]
Blackalicious - Shallow Days Lyrics

I just keep moving on... (moving on...)
I just keep moving on... (moving on...)

Time and time, a brother asks why
The rhyme is not laced with a gangsta touch
I said "Simply because I don't live that way
Still kickin' them rhymes rugged and rough"
"But that won't sell,
cause you gotta keep it real
so that we can feel
where you're coming from
Because these streets is ill so if you ain't
killing n***** in rhymes
your whole sound's just bubble gum"
I said "I won't contribute to genocide;
I'd rather try to cultivate the inner side
and try to evolve the frustrated ghetto mind
The devil and his army never been a friend of mine"
"But n***** don't wanna hear that shit" said the brother
Who was obviously totally misled and yelled out
"murder murder, kill, murder" instilled in the influential
(walks ?)
Of our kids' heads

Shallow days, you never wanna
Let a brother be a brother
Fully inner to the outer
Caught up in all them hollow nights
Can't escape cause everywhere that I look
People front, and it just ain't right
[repeat]

I said "Don't you know the powers that be
are using people as pawns, devouring we
until they see us all gone and outta the scene"
And as I passed the chronic, he said "look at where I be,
I tried to get a job for real,
but all the homies (hit licks?) and rob and steal
and keep fat pockets caught in a rut to catch ground
this way's in, plus who could you trust?"
I said "I'm all about protecting mine,
but neglecting minds for getting left behind.
Why don't you change your environment?"
He said "This is all I know,
plus my fam's all that I got, I can't go"
I said "You gotta make it for the fams"
"Damn," he said "I didn't make the ghetto,
The ghetto made the man"
I said "You're more than just that,"
Shook his hand, said "Damn, you gotta find a way
To break the devil's master plan, peace"

Shallow days, you never wanna
Let a brother be a brother
Fully inner to the outer
Caught up in all them hollow nights
Can't escape cause everywhere that I look
People front, and it just ain't right
[repeat]

The word "peace" is just an expression
Used to say bye when it's time to jet
And them red black and green medallions
Was all just part of the trend, I guess
Hardly ever them around brothers' necks no more
Instead of that gold (gats ?)
Inspiring gangstas and macks
Who at the young age of four
Be seeing more drama than war veterans
Instead of learning God's laws
And hip-hop is ((all the ways ?) till we enlist that ??)
To express how we be feeling about this and that
But music does reflect life
And kids look up to what you're portraying
And mimic what you act like
It's time for a new day
An era in rap, conscious styles,
Makin' them aware of the happenings
But their ears seem more steered towards
Self-annihilation so then they might laugh
And write this off, like I'm out here just
Blowing wind, maybe label us soft or unreal,
Something they just can't feel, while they yell
"murder murder murder, kill kill kill"

I just keep movin' on (moving on ...)
I just keep movin' on (moving on ...)

Shallow days / hollow nights
[repeat]

I won't deny certain rap songs are a out their but rap serves a cultural purpose. Their was a documentary about Toronto black youth going to school and learning to rap, singing about staying out of gangs. I think if a certain culture can grasps that music, then let them have it. Personally I'd like to hear tripper argue this..because he can grabble this concept more than myself.[/quote:a47f6]

You might have heard me talking about the "great divide" in hiphop when trying to explain the difference between commercially successful rap acts and alternative rap (which in reality is a far bigger genre now than mainstream rap - it just gets no commercial support) basically, because of the initial explosive success of the early 90s "rebelllious" and boundary pushing gangsta rap acts like NWA, Da Lynch Mob, Compton's Most Wanted, Ice T etc - The white, jewish fatcats who run the labels think the only way to sell rap and make lots of cash is to market the gangsta rap that was so successful back then....
All other rap was overshadowed and started losing airplay - This is the "great divide" gangsta rap became so big and became so different to the other styles of rap in terms of its marketability that they became two different genres.
...The problem is, nobody recognises this difference and unless you're a true rap fan - You just assume there is only the rap you are hearing on the radio and that the lesser known acts are merely shittier versions of that, which is what has become successful, when that is entirely not the case. I would agree that because of this, mainstream rap IS hurting race relations, and just kids in general.
...But if those fatcat label-owners would give alternative rap a chance, they would find it appeals to the same audience, and more - and has more of an appropriate, accessible message to convey. The only reason gangsta rap was so much more successful back when it came out was because it was NEW. It was an original way for white suburban kids to piss of their parents. Nowadays it's just a broken record, recycled themes and bullshit played-out images.

If alternative rap had more radio play and was on mtv instead of gangsta/jiggy rap, then there would be far less faggot wiggers and troublemakers who act that way because they're being told it's the popular way to do so.